Fall 2004 DVDR Roundup: Dual Layer and 16X DVD+R
by Anand Shimpi & Virginia Lee on November 1, 2004 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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We've tested various media from many different manufacturers to benchmark each drive's performance in reading and writing to see which unit performs the best overall, and we have come to the conclusion that LG's GSA-4160B has the features as well as the all around performance to put it close to #1 on our chart behind the NEC-3500A. That isn't the end of the story though. We need to factor in the cost of each drive to see if their performance matches their worth in dollars. We've searched around the web for retailers carrying each of these models and have come up with some figures. Note that the prices of 16X burners are steadily falling, so the numbers may differ at the time of publication of this review.Pioneer DVR-108
At $78, the DVR-108D is a great value. We saw in our benchmarks that Pioneer's drive performed as one of the best drives that we have tested. It had little to no trouble burning both high and low quality media in all flavors and kicked it into high gear, writing to 2.4X dual layer media at an average speed of 4.00X. The DVR-108D also performed well on - R media, writing at an average of 10.01X and reading it back at an average of 9.38X. More importantly, the quality of the writes was extraordinary. When read back on our Plextor drive with the PlexTools software, we encountered 0 PO errors on all of them.
NEC ND-3500A
As we mentioned earlier, the ND-3500A has taken the gold in read/write performance. It not only burned 2.4X DL media at an average of 4.13X like the DVR-108D, but again, even more important than the speed of the write, it burned each type and brand of media flawlessly. As we read each media back with PlexTools, we encountered only one problem with the Ritek 003 +R media. It seemed to be written perfectly, but both the NEC unit and the Plextor drive had trouble reading the disc back. Out of the 14 different types of media that we tested, though, one bad disc does not make much difference in the overall performance and quality of the drive. The ND-3500A is priced $10 lower than Pioneer's DVR-108D at $68 and features the bitsetting capability, which makes it the cheapest and best deal so far.
BenQ DW1620
BenQ's DW1620 had some trouble with a few types of media including Ritek's D01 DL media. It did handle Verbatim's MKM 001 DL media and single layer ( - R/RW, +R/RW) media well, writing to each with no PO errors as the PlexTools results showed. The price, however, does not seem to go with the drive's performance and features. The 1620 does not support DL burning at 4X like the ND-3500A and the DVR-108D, nor does it support DVD-RAM as does the LG GSA-4160B. At $90, the DW1620 is hardly a deal when there are other models that will outperform this unit in many areas.
MSI DR16-B
The DR16-B did an extremely good job of burning most of the single layer media that we threw at it. Unfortunately, it had a lot of trouble with any DL media that we tried to burn, including Ritek's and Verbatim's media. It could barely make it past the 2GB mark when creating a disc and obviously could not read it back. We hope that MSI releases a firmware update in the future to fix this problem; and currently, a $94 price tag does not fit this drive, especially when it is competing against the three mentioned above in performance as well as a price (that was as much as $12 lower). With a firmware fix for dual layer compatibility, the DR16-B could become one of the best drives on this list, and again, this model includes the bitsetting feature as do the DW1620 and the ND-3500A.
LiteOn SOHW-1633S
The LiteOn drive, the SOHW-1633S, did not live up to the level of performance of any of the other drives in this roundup. Its performance was about average; although it wrote to both the Ritek and Mitsubishi media as it was supposed to, performance ended there. The dual layer Burn quality was not as great as that of the DVR-108D or the ND-3500A, with PlexTools reporting 192 PO errors on the burned disc. For $73, the unit is worth the retailers' prices, but we recommend sticking to one of the top 3 that we mentioned in the previous section, for their quality in burns on all of the media.
Sony DRU-710A
The DRU-710A is identical to LiteOn's SOHW-1633S. Though the internals were the same, the price of the Sony, at $115, exceeded our estimates for the performance it put out. We had some trouble writing to DL media just as we did with the MSI DR16-B. We were surprised, since LiteOn's unit is completely identical to the Sony, in every way. The DRU-710A also had trouble reading lower quality media such as that from Platinum, VDSPMSAB 001 as well as AN31, both 4X media. They seemed to write fine at a steady 4X all the way through, but bottomed out towards the end of the disc. A PlexTools reading showed a little over 100 parity outer errors, which is enough to render a disc unreadable. And, we know it is not the media, since many of the other units produced much fewer errors.
LG GSA-4160B
Since LG has implemented DVD-RAM write and read capabilities into the GSA-4160B, it is worth the $85. The performance of this drive is not as great as the Pioneer or the NEC due to its slow DVD-R write speeds that we mentioned earlier, but competing with those manufacturers with all of the features that LG has implemented in the GSA-4160B, it is well worth its price. It averages 2.41X in writing to DL media and has one of the fastest DL read times, at an average of 6.17X. Even with the lower quality AN31 and VDSPMSAB 001 media, this LG model didn't produce one PO error. Though there was an issue with reading the 16X Ritek R04 media with the Plextor drive, it just didn't want to recognize the disc. The booktype setting feature offered in this unit also makes this a great drive. The GSA-4160B is a bit on the steep side when compared to that of the ND-3500A for its overall performance and feature list, but is still affordable and worth the price.
NU Tech DDW-163
NU Tech's DDW-163 is priced at around $70 and with its almost solid writing performance, it competes directly with LiteOn's SOHW-1633S. All but one media that we tested on this drive had successful write and read with Ritek R03 media, which is rated at 8X, topping out at 12x burn speeds. Unlike LG's GSA-4160B, the Ritek R04 16X media burned with the DDW-163 read perfectly fine with Plextools - 0 PO errors.
Other 16X Drives
The list of 16X DVD burners with dual layer capabilities is growing larger. We have benchmarked these 8 drives, but there are a few other big names that remain. One of the largest is ASUS with their DRW-1604P, offering 16X -/+R write capabilities. It is priced around $80 and from the experience that we have had with ASUS in the past, we predict the 1604P to be a direct competitor with Pioneer and NEC.
Plextor has also released information about their PX-716A, boasting a wide range of CD/DVD media compatibility, which we expect to revolve around the next generation Sanyo core logic. The unit seems to be making its way slowly to retailers and looks like it will be priced at around $150. We planned to include the unit in this roundup, but we did not receive a sample in time. We look forward to seeing how the PX-716A performs in the coming weeks.
Other 16X DL capable drives, from Samsung, Optowrite as well as Aopen, are all priced between $60-$80. The upcoming AOpen drive was promised to be another Ricoh-based unit, although we have our doubts. We hope to check out their features as well in the future to see how they perform compared to those in this roundup.
So it looks like NEC has done it again with pricing, placing a $68 tag on the ND-3500A. NuTech follows at $70 with its DDW-163 and the SOHW-1633S at $3 higher. We were disappointed to see the DRU-710A priced so high, $115, for the performance it gave us on this test run. Hopefully Sony will work on firmware updates to help their unit climb the charts.
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yourdeardaniel - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
the PO graphs dont work for me.CrazeeHorse - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
Yeah, Belzer is right. NEC have not allowed overspeeding of MCC003 anywhere, your read transfer speeds have been mis-mentioned as your write speeds. MCC003 stays at 8X!Belzer - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
WTF. The write speed tables for 8x MCC DVD±R show the read transfer graph not the write speed.Here are the correct tables for some of the drives (pictures are missing for the LG and the rest are OEM versions so I don't bother to check them):
MCC 02RG20
Time Speed Drive
6:33 10.44x BenQ
6:33 10.22x NEC
6:49 10.01x Pioneer
9:29 7.05x Lite-On
MCC 003
Time Speed Drive
6:26 10.47x BenQ
6:46 10.01x Pioneer
8:11 7.96x Lite-On
9:47 6.72x NEC
And it's the time not the average speed that is interesting so for MCC 004 (again pictures missing for several drives in the zips):
Time Speed Drive
5:50 11.38x BenQ
6:04 11.68x LG
6:50 10.00x Pioneer
Also the BenQ does not cost $90, it costs $67 for the OEM version at Newegg (and you're taking the price of the OEM versions for other drives). Now if you also had bothered to update the firmware to the latest the BenQ would have had the by far best media support too making it the clear winner imo especially as a 4x DVD+R DL firmware update is expected to be released later this month for free.
Maverick215 - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
Ok now I can do even less... will check back tomorrow to see if its working thenMaverick215 - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
>I find that comment inaccurate. Pioneer USA's website is generally *months* behind the Japanese or European versions.I'm not sure what you're trying to say; and perhaps I wasn't clear since you don't seem to understand what I was saying. I am not familiar enough with pioneer's releases to really give you a certain answer. Though my experience with most of my personal hardware is that it is true one country will lag behind, but often times they end up posting the SAME exact firmware, unless there are language changes(do you really think pioneer USA is further certifying xyz firmware release or even recoding it from scratch? or did I miss you point all together?). Seems especially true for larger multinational corporations (left hand doesn't know what the right is doing) so you'll often see the earliest release on the "mother land" website. There will of course be a gradient of this effect since some companies are more tightly knit.
My point was that nutech seems to have used plain vanilla OEM/Bulk firmware in their drive. So updating it with a newer firmware from the same line (not "forked" or otherwise customized) made by the same people would be the same as updating any other OEM'd drive with G series firmware. and the same as updating a retail drive with with the H series firmware.
Maverick215 - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
not letting me post large comments breaking them up:[ok I lied :)]
I thought as much on the 3 drives issue as soon as I posted, sorry I got on a roll :)
>>I think if it's official enough to be on the OEM's website that should be good enough to prove its quality.
Maverick215 - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
Odd...Bozo Galora - Tuesday, November 2, 2004 - link
Well< I got back from BestBuy and what do you know - they had them. Three on the shelf, I scooped them up and paid and out I went. The whole thing took less than 5 min.Cool.
KristopherKubicki - Monday, November 1, 2004 - link
Maverick215: You are correct, those dates are exactly the dates we worked on those images.There are a lot of things in the editorial process that take some time to wade through, although we did the best we could.
>I must also wonder why you chose 3 of the same drive.
Some of those drives we did not expect to be the same when we received them. The NuTech we obviously thought was based on a Sanyo chipset (this was detailed in the review). We had no knowledge of the MSI's chipset before we asked for a review sample.
>I think if it's official enough to be on the OEM's website that should be good enough to prove its quality.
I find that comment inaccurate. Pioneer USA's website is generally *months* behind the Japanese or European versions.
>BTW how did you accomplish bitsetting with the 3500..
The official firmwares past 2.16 (our tested version) support DL bitsetting automatically, anything past 2.26 supports SL bitsetting as well. Since the drives are OEM, they almost always ship with the newest firmware available, and we thought the review should reflect that. Obviously though, we could only test on 2.16.
Kristopher
Maverick215 - Monday, November 1, 2004 - link
Thanks for the zips. I am obviously blind.
As I said I understand you can't TEST the latest and imediately post the review. But typing one or two sentances that outline updated firmware changes (esp if those changes occurred several weeks before your submission) wouldn't take much time (unless you type REAL slow) You obviously had to go back to look at the results of the drives that you already tested to do your final comparison. Wouldn't drastic differences warrant a little more investigation rather than to just say NEC/etc is more mature, end of story?
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These dates are the apparent test dates (yes I know modified != created, but it's the best we have)
Pioneer 10.13-10.20
NEC 10.13-10.21
BenQ 9.17-9.28
MSI 10.12-10.13
LiteOn 10.13-10.20
Sony 10.5-10.12 (pics of drive 9.27)
LG 10.20-10.21
Nutech 10.20-10.21
While I imagine you were busy with other things, that's quite a gap.
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I must also wonder why you chose 3 of the same drive.
From the review it seems BenQ, MSI and Nutech are all using the same hardware, differing only by firmware.
BenQ B7J9 9.24.04 (beta, from what I can gather)
MSI M1.4 (can't find directly but others say it's 10.12.04; harder to change this firmware but can still be done, I won't go into it here since it's beyond the scope and likely MSI is more likely to be altering the oem firmware compared to nutech)
Nutech G7H9 8.25.04 (first release solely for 1620 series drives, from what I can gather)
http://www.nu-global.com/1_english/3_products/01_i... no new firmware apparently; though G7H9 would correspond to B7H9 (G is an indication of OEM/Bulk drive supposedly no difference among same revision they also seem to post to benq's european website within a day or so of each other.
ftp://62.253.210.196/dvd-rw/firmware/dw1620a/
(this ftp is what you are redirected to from the official website, the ftp houses the older revisions though)
"retail"
b7h9.zip 8/25/2004
b7k9.zip 9/29/2004
b7l9.zip 10/13/2004
b7m9.zip 11/1/2004
"bulk"/oem'd
g7k9.zip 9/30/2004
g7l9.zip 10/13/2004
g7m9.zip 11/1/2004
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What the heck does all this rambling mean!?!?!??!
in short you could have easily upgraded your nutech to G7K9 (OEM released firmware) and tested it since you apparently didn't test it untill later in october, well after G7K9 was released, perhaps you might have even squeezed in G7L9.
Yes, you might say that it's not an "official firmware" it will void your nutech warranty!!
But when the manufacturer refuses to update their website, what choice does the consumer, who wants the most out of his/her hardware, have.
from nutech's website:
"This warranty is void if: (yatta yatta) If the unit is repaired, modified or altered, unless such repair, modification or alteration is expressly authorized in writing by NU.
(yatta yatta)"
I must say it is worth noting that none of the firmware downloads from NU's site that I looked at contained any such written authorization.
I think if it's official enough to be on the OEM's website that should be good enough to prove its quality.
On a side note, one might wonder "is such an upgrade a modification or alteration?" I'm inclined to call it a repair :)
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BTW how did you accomplish bitsetting with the 3500.. To my knowledge NEC hasn't released a tool to do this (when I say NEC, I mean dl'able from nec.com, not mdmm.com(oem'd)) and if done in nero I was under the impression that there is a limit to the number of times this can be done (an enforced limit, ie it's coded in like RPC changes rather than the memory "wearing out") just wondering.
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ok three very long posts that rehash the same thing.. unless there's something new I yield.