ATI's Late Response to G70 - Radeon X1800, X1600 and X1300
by Derek Wilson on October 5, 2005 11:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Adaptive AA
Antialiasing is becoming more and more important as graphics cards get faster. With the 7800 GTX (and the X1800 XT when it comes along), there are very few monitors that can really stress the fill rate potential of these cards. Not everyone has 30" Apple Cinema Displays, and even at resolutions of 1600x1200 we see CPU limitedness start to become a factor. With many 1600x1200 flat panels out there on the market, this "monitor limitedness" will only get worse and worse as graphics cards continue to improve at a significantly faster rate than display technology. Quality enhancing features will get more and more attention in the meantime, and more power can be spent on enhancing a game rather than just rendering it. Thus more focus has recently been put into antialiasing algorithms.
Multisample AA (MSAA) has been the predominant method of antialiasing for quite a few years now, but it is not perfect. MSAA only works around polygon edges by smoothing lines when the area covered by one pixel falls over multiple triangles. SSAA oversamples everything at every pixel and is traditionally implemented by rendering a scene at a larger resolution and then down-sampling the image to fit the display. Lots of power is wasted with SSAA in areas that are covered by the same color, so MSAA wins out in performance while sacrificing a bit of quality.
One of the major down sides of MSAA is its inability to antialias the interior of polygons mapped with a texture that includes transparency. Things like wires, fences, and foliage are often rendered with huge triangles and transparent texture maps. Since MSAA only works on polygon edges, the areas between transparent and opaque parts inside these large polygons can look very jagged. The only way to combat this is to take multiple texture samples per pixel within the same polygon. This can be done by performing multiple texture lookups per pixel rather than simply rendering the scene at a huge resolution.
ATI is including a feature called Adaptive Antialiasing in the Catalyst release that comes along with the X1000 series. Adaptive AA is functionally similar to NVIDIA's Transparency AA. Rather than just doing multi-sample (MSAA), ATI is able to adaptively take multiple texture samples per pixel in areas that would benefit from including additional texture samples (essentially resulting in a combination of MSAA and SSAA where needed). Depending on where ATI determines it is necessary to perform multiple texture samples, poorly designed or easily aliased textures can benefit in addition to those that include transparency.
Unlike NVIDIA's Transparency AA, ATI's Adaptive AA will be available to all ATI hardware owners. How's that for value-add! This could be a very nice thing for X800/X850 series owners stuck with 1280x1024 panels. Apparently ATI has been tweaking this technology for a few years now, but held off on its introduction until this launch. The use of this feature on most older hardware won't be widespread as performance will degrade too much. In these cases, increasing resolution is almost always more effective than increasing AA quality. Here's a look at the Adaptive AA as compared to Transparency AA:
Continuing down the path to high quality AA, ATI has improved the sub-pixel accuracy of their antialiasing hardware. Rather than being limited to selecting samples on an 8x8 grid, ATI is now able to work with select samples from a 16x16 grid. Moving up from 64 to 256 potential sub-pixels per pixel, ATI has improved the accuracy of their AA algorithm. This accuracy improvement may not be directly noticeable, but this enhancement will also improve the quality of dense AA methods like CrossFire's SuperAA technology. Workstation users will also benefit as this will likely translate to improved point and line antialiasing quality.
The one thing I would ask for from ATI is the ability to turn off "gamma-correct" AA. Such methods only shift inaccuracies between overly dark and overly bright pixels. Consistent results would only be possible if all displays were the same. Since they are not, it's really a six of one half-dozen of the other choice. Putting the decision in the user's hands as to what looks better is always our favored suggestion.
As if all of these enhancements weren't enough to top off ATI's already industry leading antialiasing (NVIDIA's grid aligned sample patterns just can't touch ATI's fully programmable sample patterns in quality), ATI has also vastly improved antialiasing performance with the X1000 generation of hardware. Neither NVIDIA nor previous generation ATI hardware can match the minimal performance hit the X1000 series incurs when enabling standard AA. The performance we see is likely due to a combination of the improvements made to the AA hardware itself along side enhancements to the memory architecture that allow for higher bandwidth and the prioritization of data moving on the ring bus.
Antialiasing is becoming more and more important as graphics cards get faster. With the 7800 GTX (and the X1800 XT when it comes along), there are very few monitors that can really stress the fill rate potential of these cards. Not everyone has 30" Apple Cinema Displays, and even at resolutions of 1600x1200 we see CPU limitedness start to become a factor. With many 1600x1200 flat panels out there on the market, this "monitor limitedness" will only get worse and worse as graphics cards continue to improve at a significantly faster rate than display technology. Quality enhancing features will get more and more attention in the meantime, and more power can be spent on enhancing a game rather than just rendering it. Thus more focus has recently been put into antialiasing algorithms.
Multisample AA (MSAA) has been the predominant method of antialiasing for quite a few years now, but it is not perfect. MSAA only works around polygon edges by smoothing lines when the area covered by one pixel falls over multiple triangles. SSAA oversamples everything at every pixel and is traditionally implemented by rendering a scene at a larger resolution and then down-sampling the image to fit the display. Lots of power is wasted with SSAA in areas that are covered by the same color, so MSAA wins out in performance while sacrificing a bit of quality.
One of the major down sides of MSAA is its inability to antialias the interior of polygons mapped with a texture that includes transparency. Things like wires, fences, and foliage are often rendered with huge triangles and transparent texture maps. Since MSAA only works on polygon edges, the areas between transparent and opaque parts inside these large polygons can look very jagged. The only way to combat this is to take multiple texture samples per pixel within the same polygon. This can be done by performing multiple texture lookups per pixel rather than simply rendering the scene at a huge resolution.
ATI is including a feature called Adaptive Antialiasing in the Catalyst release that comes along with the X1000 series. Adaptive AA is functionally similar to NVIDIA's Transparency AA. Rather than just doing multi-sample (MSAA), ATI is able to adaptively take multiple texture samples per pixel in areas that would benefit from including additional texture samples (essentially resulting in a combination of MSAA and SSAA where needed). Depending on where ATI determines it is necessary to perform multiple texture samples, poorly designed or easily aliased textures can benefit in addition to those that include transparency.
Unlike NVIDIA's Transparency AA, ATI's Adaptive AA will be available to all ATI hardware owners. How's that for value-add! This could be a very nice thing for X800/X850 series owners stuck with 1280x1024 panels. Apparently ATI has been tweaking this technology for a few years now, but held off on its introduction until this launch. The use of this feature on most older hardware won't be widespread as performance will degrade too much. In these cases, increasing resolution is almost always more effective than increasing AA quality. Here's a look at the Adaptive AA as compared to Transparency AA:
NVIDIA 7800 GTX 4xAA
NVIDIA 7800 GTX 4xAA
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Continuing down the path to high quality AA, ATI has improved the sub-pixel accuracy of their antialiasing hardware. Rather than being limited to selecting samples on an 8x8 grid, ATI is now able to work with select samples from a 16x16 grid. Moving up from 64 to 256 potential sub-pixels per pixel, ATI has improved the accuracy of their AA algorithm. This accuracy improvement may not be directly noticeable, but this enhancement will also improve the quality of dense AA methods like CrossFire's SuperAA technology. Workstation users will also benefit as this will likely translate to improved point and line antialiasing quality.
The one thing I would ask for from ATI is the ability to turn off "gamma-correct" AA. Such methods only shift inaccuracies between overly dark and overly bright pixels. Consistent results would only be possible if all displays were the same. Since they are not, it's really a six of one half-dozen of the other choice. Putting the decision in the user's hands as to what looks better is always our favored suggestion.
As if all of these enhancements weren't enough to top off ATI's already industry leading antialiasing (NVIDIA's grid aligned sample patterns just can't touch ATI's fully programmable sample patterns in quality), ATI has also vastly improved antialiasing performance with the X1000 generation of hardware. Neither NVIDIA nor previous generation ATI hardware can match the minimal performance hit the X1000 series incurs when enabling standard AA. The performance we see is likely due to a combination of the improvements made to the AA hardware itself along side enhancements to the memory architecture that allow for higher bandwidth and the prioritization of data moving on the ring bus.
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DigitalFreak - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
CPU limited?DRavisher - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
Usually you are not CPU limited at such high resolutions. Though it would of course be possible. But my comment still stands; the XT is not showing any good scaling at higher resolutions in those benchmarks, rather the opposite.raj14 - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
i am not surprised, with 16 Pixel pipelins everybody knowed ATi was going to loose, ATi has Always sucked and continues to do so. even in Cross-FIre radeon 1800XTs won't come near SLied 7800GTXs. hats off to NVIDIA and thumbs down to ATi.utube545 - Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - link
Fuck off you dumbassmlittl3 - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
Excerpt from extremetech.com review of the X1800:"The Radeon X1800 XT fares much better against the GeForce 7800 GTX. It is faster, on the whole, whether you apply AA and AF or not (though the difference is tiny without them). The only reason the 7800 GTX remains less than 20% behind is because of the dominance of Nvidia in Doom 3. Without that game, ATI pulls even further ahead."
"With 8 fewer pixel pipelines, it's impressive to see this difference in performance, even though the X1800 XT runs at a much higher clock speed. We question whether it can be attributed to all the improvements in the new architecture for the sake of per-pipeline efficiency, or if it has more to do with the 25% advantage in memory bandwidth."
The 16 pipes vs. 24 pipes is not enough to draw a conclusion. At this site, the ATI cards wins with 16 pipes in most cases.
Griswold - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
I'm guessing you got your first PC last christmas.
LoneWolf15 - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
Too bad he didn't get his first Speak `n Spell last Christmas, it would have been a more useful gift.mlittl3 - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
I don't understand how Anandtech can complain about no products at launch when they post live review articles when they aren't even remotely ready. I know you guys are doing it because you want to post the article when the other sites do but if it isn't ready, it isn't ready. Come on. You are doing the exact same thing as ATI's paper launches.You have graphs showing the X1800xl beating x1800xt. You say there is good scaling with AA enabled but you don't show the data without AA. You also only tested like 5 games. Where is the 3dmark benches? Where are all the other games?
Anandtech review launch = ATI paper launch
I'm going to another review site. This is abysmal.
mlittl3 - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
Oh and one other thing. The cards picked for each section: budget, midrange, highend seem randomly chosen. Why don't we have 9200, x300, 5200, 6200, x1300 in the low end? 9600, x600, 5600, 6600, x1600 in the mid range? And 9800, x800, 5900, 6800, x1800, 7800 in the high-end? If you can't go back two generations of cards, then show some of the derivatives of last generation at least (xl, xt, xt pe, pro, ultra, etc.). Everything is so scatter-brained here no one can tell what card is faster than what.Go to extremetech.com. They show the ATI cards winning in almost every single test and they also have 3dmark scores. ATI did a great job with 16 pipelines and gives almost 1.5x performance over x800 series and beats the 7800. Don't use this site to determine the winner. Go to multiple sites.
bob661 - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link
So you only look for benchmarks that show what you want to see? Besides, I checked extremetech.com and ATI did NOT win all of the benchmarks there. 2 fps is not a win as you will NEVER be albe to tell the difference. Besides, how the hell is 2 fps or even 10 fps worth $100?