So about that pricing...

NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GT launched to much praise from us, you all and other reviewers altogether. We've got a roundup of 8800 GTs in the works and today we're looking at a very special 8800 GT that those building silent PCs may be interested in. But, before we go much further must address the current situation with 8800 GT pricing and availability. There are a couple of givens:

1) GeForce 8800 GT availability is extremely limited, and
2) Pricing is much higher than expected

NVIDIA’s original target for the 8800 GT was $199 for the 256MB version and $249 - $259 for the 512MB version, and while 256MB cards are just now starting to appear in the worldwide market, 512MB cards just can’t be bought at those prices.

A quick look at Newegg shows that most cards are priced between $270 and $320, but almost all cards are out of stock at this time. If you're willing to spend a little more you can find cards selling for $330 - $350, but then you run into some very creative pricing on shipping.

Our own Gary Key took screen shots of his checkout cart at three different stores, pay attention to the rates for overnight shipping:


$100.33 for next day air shipping, does it come wrapped in Italian leather?


Don't be fooled by the colors, you'll be paying $380.78 for one of these bad boys


$340 for the card, $40 for shipping, you might as well buy an Xbox 360

If you want one of these things right away it looks like it'll cost you as much as $100 to get it shipped overnight. Who said patience doesn't pay off? Factor in some sort of speedy shipping and you're looking at close to a $400 investment for what was supposed to be a $250 card. With the fruits of capitalism come the inevitable sour grapes, the 8800 GT is a hot item and vendors will do whatever they can to maximize profit on it.

AMD is convinced that this is all a giant conspiracy by NVIDIA to hurt the launch of the Radeon HD 3800 series. Create buzz for a product that on paper destroys the Radeon HD 3870 but don't produce enough to actually make that happen. You have to admit, based on NVIDIA's promises the initial 8800 GT reviews were beyond glowing; but honestly, if we had to write the review today, even knowing the availability problems, the card still gets our recommendation - just at a higher price point.

The fact of the matter is that if you're patient and put in a pre-order with a vendor, you can actually get one of these things at less than $300, just not at $250. AMD should be happy because if the 8800 GT were actually a $250 card, the Radeon HD 3870 would have no place in the market. Instead, we've actually got a very nice set of options:

If you're spending less than $200, the only card to get is the Radeon HD 3850 and if you can find one at $220, the Radeon HD 3870 is good value. And then we've got the 8800 GT, which is effectively a $300 card if you're patient and more like $350 if you want one right away.

But if you're building a HTPC or just want a silent PC and happen to be a gamer, there's one particular flavor of 8800 GT that will interest you the most.

A Silent 8800 GT? Impossible

The night before our 8800 GT review went live, Derek called me and let me know that Sparkle sent along images of a passively cooled 8800 GT. Said one word: "impossible". I told him that it had to be a Photoshop because there was no way you were going to get an 8800 GT running without a fan, the card was simply too hot.

The 754M transistors that make up G92 were simply switching too fast and dissipating too much heat to be cooled by anything without a fan. Sparkle could’ve lowered the clocks, that would’ve made it possible, but I thought there was just no way at stock speeds. And Sparkle was promising a bone stock 8800 GT, sans fan.

I had honestly forgotten about the card until I started work on the 8800 GT roundup, and there it was, in its innocent white box:

I was still skeptical. We've received passively cooled video cards before that wouldn't even work at their stock speeds due to inadequate cooling. We had one 7600 GT in particular back when we were working on the Silent GPU Roundup that wouldn't even work at stock clock speeds in any 3D games, and we went through three samples before everyone determined that the card just couldn't be sold.

But in the back of my mind I was hopeful, after all, the idea of having a 8800 GT without a fan was simply too good. We've already benchmarked the 8800 GT and shown that it is faster than the vast majority of NVIDIA's lineup, easily offering 8800 GTX performance at a lower price. Since a silent 8800 GTX isn't possible, the 65nm G92 GPU on the 8800 GT could just make a few dreams come true.

The Sparkle 8800 GT Passive
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  • xsilver - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    totally agree.

    Also the design of the sparkle doesn't look all that genius anyways.

    eg. what about if you mount a zalman VF1000 or thermalright HR03 and simply pull out/not mount a fan??

    how does it compare?
    the sparkle model here could have easily made mounts for a fan which would entice many more buyers like me. (fan attached to fan controller, run fan only when necessary)
  • Kaleid - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    With zip ties and a bit of imagination fans can be attacted onto almost anything.

    As for the card, I suppose a non-passive plus Thermalright HR03GT and a low RPM fan would be the best solution for quiet but not entirely silent cooling.

    111 degrees is not ok IMO, heck not even 94 degrees.
  • cw42 - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    I don't post here often, but that Mr Sparkle pic gets my two thumbs up for this review!
  • The Boston Dangler - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    I'm sure you would have seen much lower temps with a different case. A perfect solution would be a box with positive pressure and vent(s) on the back, along the PCI slots. Some Antec and Silverstone towers, or most boxes with big fans on the front, would fit the bill nicely. Not many HTPC boxes are capable of positive pressure, but the way-too-pricey Silverstone CW02 has 2 90mm intakes and the PS draws from out side the box, allowing for positive pressure.

    The Velocity Micro case used in the review is actually the OriginAE X11. I don't think this box has the airflow desirable for a powerful passive vid card. I've had excellent results with using a Silverstone LC-20M and an XFX 7950GT HE9 (570 MHz). While positive pressure isn't possible with this box, I still get quite satifactory temps with a factory OC card. The PCI vent becomes an intake due to the draw of the 2 80mm rear fans and lousy intake from the front of the box. This results in a 10C drop, as compared to open case/no case running.

    One similarity between the OriginAE and Silverstone cases is the PS mounted on it's side, with the lid mounting directly on top of it. Was there much (any) clearance between the card and the lid? In my box, there isn't even 1 CH of space left.

    If possible, I ask you to put the card in a more suitable box and post the results. A P180 variant should be able to bring out the best in this card. With some tweaking, a very quiet SLI system should be possible.

    Thanks,
    Bill
  • The Boston Dangler - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    btw, i love the mr. sparkle picture. he is disrespectful to dirt!
  • KeithTalent - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link

    Totally agree; so awesome. I would not even have bothered to read the article, but that picture drew me in.

    KT
  • SonicIce - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    =D
  • AbRASiON - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    Believe it or not, the 512mb 8800GT was meant to be 199->249$

    This is why Dell can do them for 208$.
    This is why Fry's / Outpost did them initially for 229$
    It's certainly not meant to have started at 249$.

    You'll find early Jan when the sales taper out, it'll be as low as 199$ US (best case, perhaps with rebates) and 229$ average.


    Damn good, especially considering the poor prices of the new GTS and how it performs :(
  • shabby - Thursday, November 29, 2007 - link

    No its not incorrect, the 199 pricetag was for the 256meg gt, 249 was for the 512. If you believe the 512meg gt was supposed to sell at $199 then why did ati price the slower 3870 at $230?
  • AbRASiON - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link

    I believe that, because that's what every damned review said 6 weeks ago.

    The 256 pricing was unknown at the time.

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