ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2: 2 GPUs 1 Card, A Return to the High End
by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 28, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Single-board CrossFire
The Radeon HD 3870 X2 features a single CrossFire connector at the top of the PCB, meaning you'll eventually be able to add a second card to it to enable 3X or 4X CrossFire modes (depending on whether you add another 3870 X2 or just a single 3870).
Unfortunately driver support for the ATI CrossFireX technology isn't quite there yet, although AMD tells us to expect something in the March timeframe. Given that CeBIT is at the beginning of March we're guessing we'll see it at the show.
As we alluded to earlier, the fact that the 3870 X2 features two GPUs on a single board means that it doesn't rely on chipset support to enable its multi-GPU functionality: it'll work in any motherboard that would support a standard 3870.
Driver support is also seamless; you don't have to enable CrossFire or fiddle with any settings, the card just works. AMD's Catalyst drivers attempt to force an Alternate Frame Render (AFR) mode whenever possible, but be warned that if there are issues with the 3870 X2's multi-GPU rendering modes and a game you may only get single-GPU performance until AMD can fix the problem. In our testing we didn't encounter any such issues but as new games and OS revisions come out, as we saw with the GeForce 7950 GX2, there's always the chance.
AMD insists that by releasing a multi-GPU card it will encourage developers to take CrossFire more seriously. It is also committed to releasing future single-card, multi-GPU solutions but we'll just have to wait and see how true that is.
Last Minute Driver Drop: Competitive Crysis Performance
Today's launch was actually supposed to happen last week, on January 23rd. At the last minute we got an email from AMD stating that the embargo on 3870 X2 reviews had been pushed back to the 28th and we'd receive more information soon enough.
The reason for the delay was that over the weekend, before the launch on the 23rd, AMD was able to fix a number of driver issues that significantly impacted performance with the 3870 X2. The laundry list of fixes are as follows:
• Company of Heroes DX10 – AA now working on R680. Up to 70% faster at 2560x1600 4xAA
• Crysis DX10 – Improves up to ~60% on R680 and up to ~9% on RV670 on Island GPU test up to 1920x1200.
• Lost Planet DX10 – 16xAF scores on R680 improved ~20% and more. AF scores were horribly low before and should have been very close to no AF scores
• Oblivion – fixed random texture flashing
• COJ – no longer randomly goes to blackscreen after the DX10 benchmark run
• World in Conflict - 2560x1600x32 0xAA 16xAF quality=high we get 77% increase
• Fixed random WIC random crashing to desktop
• Fixed CF scaling for Colin McRae Dirt, Tiger Woods 08, and Blazing Angels2
• Fixed WIC DX9 having smearable text
With a list like that, we can understand why AMD pushed the NDA back - but most importantly, the Radeon HD 3870 X2 went from not scaling at all in Crysis to actually being competitive.
The Radeon 3800 series has always lagged behind NVIDIA when it came to performance under Crysis, and with the old driver Crysis was a black eye on an otherwise healthy track record for the 3870 X2. The new driver improved performance in Crysis by around 44 - 54% at high quality defaults depending on resolution. The driver update doesn't make Crysis any more playable at very high detail settings, but it makes the X2's launch a lot smoother than it would've been.
According to AMD, the fix in the driver that so positively impacted Crysis performance had to do with the resource management code. Apparently some overhead in the Vista memory manager had to be compensated for, and without the fix AMD was seeing quite poor scaling going to the 3870 X2.
The Test
Test Setup | |
CPU | Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 3.00GHz |
Motherboard | EVGA nForce 780i SLI Power Measurements done on ASUS P5E3 Deluxe |
Video Cards | ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 ATI Radeon HD 3870 NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT (512MB) |
Video Drivers | ATI: 8-451-2-080123a NVIDIA: 169.28 |
Hard Drive | Seagate 7200.9 300GB 8MB 7200RPM |
RAM | 4x1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 |
Operating System | Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit |
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poohbear - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
well its about time, good job amd, lets see u maintain the performance lead damn it!boe - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Howdy,I appreciate any benchmarks we can get but if you do a followup on this card with newer drivers, I hope you will consider the following
1. A comparison with a couple of older cards x1900 and 7900
2. A sound measurement of the cards e.g. db at full utilation from 2'
3. Crossfire performance if this card supports it.
4. Benchmarking on FEAR - all bells and whistles turned on
5. DX10 vs. DX9 performance.
Thanks again for creating this article - I'm considering this card.
perzy - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Am I the only one tired of all these multicores? I guess programming gets even more complex now. I guess the future all games will have development cycles like Duke Nukem forever -10+ years....?Are the GPU's hitting the heatwall 2 now?
Soon I'll stop reading these hardware sites. The only reports in the near future will be 'yet another core added.' Yipee.
wien - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Coding for a multi-GPU setup is not really any different that coding for a single-GPU one. All the complexity is handled by the driver, unlike with multi-core CPUs.FXi - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Have to say they did a good job, not great, but very good. We do need to see the 700 though, as this won't hold them for long.The other thing both camps need to address is dual monitors using SLI/CF. It's been forever since this tech has been out and it hasn't been fixed. Dual screens are commonplace and people like them. Could be one large and one smaller, or dual midrange but people want the FPS without losing their 2nd screen.
I'm sure there will be a rash of promises to fix this that won't materialize for years :) (as before)
ChronoReverse - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - link
Actually, that was one of the things that was fixed by ATI. Dual screens will work even if it's in a window and _spanning_ the monitors. I'll see if I can find the review that showed that.murphyslabrat - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Come on AMD, don't die until we get the Radeon 4870 x2!Retratserif - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Third to last paragraph.The fact "hat" both?
Overall good article. To bad we didnt get to see temps or overclocks.
PeteRoy - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Is Nvidia and ATI will just put more of the same instead of innovate new technologies.Wasn't that what killed 3dfx, Nvidia should know.
kilkennycat - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
The next-gen GPU family at nVidia is in full development. Hold on to your wallet till the middle of this year (2008). You may be in for a very pleasant surprise.