ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2: 2 GPUs 1 Card, A Return to the High End
by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 28, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Single-board CrossFire
The Radeon HD 3870 X2 features a single CrossFire connector at the top of the PCB, meaning you'll eventually be able to add a second card to it to enable 3X or 4X CrossFire modes (depending on whether you add another 3870 X2 or just a single 3870).
Unfortunately driver support for the ATI CrossFireX technology isn't quite there yet, although AMD tells us to expect something in the March timeframe. Given that CeBIT is at the beginning of March we're guessing we'll see it at the show.
As we alluded to earlier, the fact that the 3870 X2 features two GPUs on a single board means that it doesn't rely on chipset support to enable its multi-GPU functionality: it'll work in any motherboard that would support a standard 3870.
Driver support is also seamless; you don't have to enable CrossFire or fiddle with any settings, the card just works. AMD's Catalyst drivers attempt to force an Alternate Frame Render (AFR) mode whenever possible, but be warned that if there are issues with the 3870 X2's multi-GPU rendering modes and a game you may only get single-GPU performance until AMD can fix the problem. In our testing we didn't encounter any such issues but as new games and OS revisions come out, as we saw with the GeForce 7950 GX2, there's always the chance.
AMD insists that by releasing a multi-GPU card it will encourage developers to take CrossFire more seriously. It is also committed to releasing future single-card, multi-GPU solutions but we'll just have to wait and see how true that is.
Last Minute Driver Drop: Competitive Crysis Performance
Today's launch was actually supposed to happen last week, on January 23rd. At the last minute we got an email from AMD stating that the embargo on 3870 X2 reviews had been pushed back to the 28th and we'd receive more information soon enough.
The reason for the delay was that over the weekend, before the launch on the 23rd, AMD was able to fix a number of driver issues that significantly impacted performance with the 3870 X2. The laundry list of fixes are as follows:
• Company of Heroes DX10 – AA now working on R680. Up to 70% faster at 2560x1600 4xAA
• Crysis DX10 – Improves up to ~60% on R680 and up to ~9% on RV670 on Island GPU test up to 1920x1200.
• Lost Planet DX10 – 16xAF scores on R680 improved ~20% and more. AF scores were horribly low before and should have been very close to no AF scores
• Oblivion – fixed random texture flashing
• COJ – no longer randomly goes to blackscreen after the DX10 benchmark run
• World in Conflict - 2560x1600x32 0xAA 16xAF quality=high we get 77% increase
• Fixed random WIC random crashing to desktop
• Fixed CF scaling for Colin McRae Dirt, Tiger Woods 08, and Blazing Angels2
• Fixed WIC DX9 having smearable text
With a list like that, we can understand why AMD pushed the NDA back - but most importantly, the Radeon HD 3870 X2 went from not scaling at all in Crysis to actually being competitive.
The Radeon 3800 series has always lagged behind NVIDIA when it came to performance under Crysis, and with the old driver Crysis was a black eye on an otherwise healthy track record for the 3870 X2. The new driver improved performance in Crysis by around 44 - 54% at high quality defaults depending on resolution. The driver update doesn't make Crysis any more playable at very high detail settings, but it makes the X2's launch a lot smoother than it would've been.
According to AMD, the fix in the driver that so positively impacted Crysis performance had to do with the resource management code. Apparently some overhead in the Vista memory manager had to be compensated for, and without the fix AMD was seeing quite poor scaling going to the 3870 X2.
The Test
Test Setup | |
CPU | Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 3.00GHz |
Motherboard | EVGA nForce 780i SLI Power Measurements done on ASUS P5E3 Deluxe |
Video Cards | ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 ATI Radeon HD 3870 NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT (512MB) |
Video Drivers | ATI: 8-451-2-080123a NVIDIA: 169.28 |
Hard Drive | Seagate 7200.9 300GB 8MB 7200RPM |
RAM | 4x1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 |
Operating System | Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit |
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DigitalFreak - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Does Crossfire still not allow you to create your own profiles, like SLI does? I'm still not convinced that ATI has gotten their head around the whole dual gpu driver thing yet.Chaitanya - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
More exited about nvidia Gf9800 GX2 than the radeon 3870 X2. I hear from my source in nvidia its got a completly diffrent apporach than radeons and gf 7950Gx2Ecmaster76 - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
*only* 54fps at 2560!thats horrible! /sarcasm
I think Quake Wars fans will be just fine.
legoman666 - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
I was going to post the same thing. Only 54 @ 2560x1600? What more do you really want?wien - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
54FPS average is not nearly enough to ensure 100% fluid gameplay. If that was the minimum FPS it'd be close enough, but above 60FPS minimum is preferable. This is a high-end card so expecting extreme performance is hardly unreasonable.NullSubroutine - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Why not test DX9 Crysis benchmarks? Even in Vista you can do that and see a large performance jump in Crysis.I still fail to see why Vista only scores are being posted on Anandtech when Vista represents such a small percentage of users.
damncrackmonkey - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
You fail to see why DX10 performance is relevant to a DX10 card?Personally, I like to use the command line. Why don't these reviews address command line text rendering performance?
duploxxx - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
nice comment at the end...."if AMD can do it, NVIDIA can as well. And we all know how the 3870 vs. 8800 GT matchup turned out."
pls anand give an update on that, as far as i have read no real review was done by anand and the ones floating around on the web concluded all the same... 3870cf is scaling better then sli, now knowing the price of those 2 i don't see why 8800gt sli is faster the 3870x2 with higher r680 clocks, lets see how nvidia will downclock there dual pcb card to get it out.
and knowing that 2x 3850 = 8800gtx with lower price tag
navygaser - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
When you go over to Tom's Hardware and look at their benchmarks for this card you can see a big difference in the FPS numbers at the same settings.Looks like this card does much better on the AnandTech system. They use 4GB RAM vs. Tom's 2GB and the drivers look to be newer as well.
Could the RAM and the drives account for this big difference?
GenoR32 - Tuesday, February 5, 2008 - link
I've seen that review and that's true... if you compare it to this one, you see some diferences..IMO, Tom's Hardware is Intel(look at the Phenom 9600 Black Ed. Review.. he practically destroys AMD and kiss Intel) and Nvidia Biased... he cant admit the fact that this card is awesome...
i hate that biased reviews... Anand FTW