NVIDIA Analyst Day: Jen-sun Goes to the Mat With Intel
by Derek Wilson on April 11, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Tackling the Market Share Myth
Largely, 2007 and 2008 have been big years for NVIDIA's growth. With the rock solid performance domination of G80 since the last quarter of 2006 - a situation that is largely unheard of in the usually very fast paced and aggressive graphics market - confidence in NVIDIA (or rather a lack of confidence in the competition) has helped bolster their position in the industry as a whole. AMD certainly still offers some good price/performance alternatives in the midrange, as they can compete in price with the added flexibility of their smaller GPU and fab process. But they don't have the high margin high end market or the mind share to match NVIDIA right now.
The market gains made by the NVIDIA juggernaut combine with some interesting insight into sales data have combined to show NVIDIA as the current king of the roost in terms of desktop graphics sales. For a long time, Intel had been able to claim that it shipped a higher volume of computer graphics hardware than anyone in the world. This is true due to the pervasiveness of Intel's integrated chipsets on the desktop and in mobile solutions. Intel does offer a good solution for people who are uninterested in graphics performance or quality. They offer a 2D solution that supports a minimal set of DirectX features but, as Jen-sun said, "is a joke" when compared to any real 3D hardware.
So what's different aside from the already clear gains NVIDIA has made in the market place? NVIDIA says that something called double attachment is much to blame for inaccuracy of the data spread by Intel and analysts. Jen-sun claims that a huge proportion of Intel motherboards with include integrated graphics have discrete graphics cards plugged into them. The idea is that Intel basically gives away their integrated hardware and there's no reason not to ship it in a system. But shipments say nothing to illustrate the actual usage of these parts.
As an example, Jen-sun made the point that if Intel integrates a tiny graphics core on to all their CPUs, they would be able to claim 100% market share of graphics running on Intel systems using their current logic. The problem is that if you give away crap it doesn't mean people will use it. To help determine double attachment, NVIDIA looked at a couple different metrics relating to CPU and GPU sales.
With total GPU shipments at 336 Million units and total CPU shipments hitting only 273 Million, double attachment can help explain why so many more GPUs were sold than CPUs: if CPU sales more closely represents the number of systems sold or built last year, there are a large number of computers with unused integrated graphics in them which count as two shipped GPUs. This overlap would mean that Intel's shipped graphics number greatly over inflate the market impact of their graphics products.
Of course, we can't ignore the fact that the average PC enthusiast will likely upgrade their graphics card before their CPU and that multi-GPU solutions do account for at least a few of those shipments. We can't discount all of these shipments as double attachment, but it seems at least plausible that NVIDIA's real market share is somewhere between 65% and 75% based on the numbers they showed us. This is definitely more impressive than what we see on the surface.
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panfist - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
There is a special place in my heart and in gaming history for John Carmack, but I don't think he's necessarily the one to trust when it comes to forecasting the industry anymore.Doom3 the single player game was disappointing, and the engine never really had a big hit game, either.
Now maybe if Valve or Epic weighed in with similar comments...
StormEffect - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
It was called Prey and it was fairly successful.Sunrise089 - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
In addition, while there wasn't one crazy breakthrough hit (and on the PC, what really is these days?), I would guess that in total installed copies of Doom 3, Quake 4, Prey, and Quake Wars is pretty competitive to some of the other contemporary engines.Conroe - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
If Intel could integrate a GPU that actually could run games what do you think would happen to nvidia? He sounds a little frightened to me.jtleon - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
Why is it in Jen-sun's best interest to draw attention to Intel's failed IGP?Consider the end user experience - I tried using Intel's IGP - and became so horribly frustrated that I abandoned the IGP altogether in disgust! As a competitor, Jen-sun cannot buy such a powerful motivator to drive customers to nVidia (or ATI), right?
Jen-sun should be praising Intel for their IGP, and encourage them to continue the "good" work for nVidia! Don't ridicule Intel - Don't dare them to beat you.
Jen-sun mis-managed this Financial Meeting and cannot retract his indignation - He has challenged Intel to a Dual, and he cannot win!
Regards,
jtleon
Griswold - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
"He has challenged Intel to a Dual, and he cannot win!"A dual what? Dual-core maybe?
Its spelled d-u-e-l.
jtleon - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
Thanks Griswold...saw the mistake as I hit the Post button - unfortunately this site does not offer an "edit" after the fact!poohbear - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
thanks for pointing out the obvious to all of us w/ a grade 3 and above education Griswold. Now, do us all a favor and go "fuk" yourself, and dont tell me how to spell fuk on the internet. Thank you very much.jtleon - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
No doubt Jen-sun is very afraid. Intel could buy his entire engineering team - should they so choose.However, such fear is a vital ingredient (always has been) to generate true innovation. We should be worried if Jen-sun is not afraid.
Regards,
jtleon
Lonyo - Friday, April 11, 2008 - link
Intel are arguably a long term company.It may be that no one can see anything happening in the near future, but give it time and we will see things shifting I am sure.
They are in it for the long haul, but they also want to show they are making short term steps to get there.
The Atom is by no means a finished platform, nor does it operate where Intel are aiming for, but it's a start on the road.