AMD's SB750: Enabling Higher Phenom Overclocks?
by Gary Key on July 23, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Testing the Theory - Does it Overclock Any Better?
We started by getting a reference overclock out of one of our Phenom processors, in this case a Phenom X4 9850BE. We picked this processor as it has difficulties clocking past 3.1GHz. In fact, this processor seemed to hit a wall around 3.0GHz and changing the HT Ref Clock past 200 just made matters worse as attainable clock speeds would actually decrease. Even then, we had to tune just about every setting in the BIOS to have a stable platform in the 3.0GHz range. Our initial results with this CPU matched the profile that AMD told us would probably benefit the most from ACC.
We will also provide results with our newly arrived Phenom X4 9950BE that seems to be the pick of the retail lot in early testing. For those of you with the earlier B2 stepping 9600BE, we hope to have results shortly. While ACC should provide benefits such as higher clocks or lower voltages, we were skeptical as to any benefits we would gain with a processor that does not seem to need any tuning. As it turned out, our intuition was almost on the money. We ended up with a 100MHz higher core speed but that was about it. Although not shown, the biggest improvement with ACC came in the 2.6GHz to 3.0GHz range where we could set NB speed to 2.6GHz with absolute stability. With ACC switched off, our NB speed dropped to 2.4GHz and processor voltage at 3.0GHz increased to 1.35V compared to the stock 1.304V.
Phenom 9850BE - Highest Core Speed / Stock Voltages | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC On | 3000 | 200 | 2000 | 2000 | 1066 | 1.312V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 2800 | 200 | 2000 | 2000 | 1066 | 1.312V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 2800 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.312V |
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At stock voltages and stock HT/NB speeds, the highest our 9850BE sample would reach was 2.80GHz. This was true on both the ASUS M3A32-MVP as well as the Foxconn A79A-S. Turning on ACC let us hit 3.0GHz without adjusting the CPU's voltage at all. So far, so good.
Phenom 9850BE - Highest Core Speed / HT Ref Clock | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 3280 | 205 | 2050 | 2255 | 1093 | 1.4250V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 2870 | 205 | 2050 | 2255 | 1093 | 1.4125V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 2970 | 205 | 2050 | 2255 | 1093 | 1.4000V |
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This particular CPU acts really strange when trying to increase the HT frequency, anything over 205MHz usually meant decreasing clocks in a hurry, no matter voltages, NB speeds, or HT settings. We found it amazing that turning on ACC all of a sudden allowed a 410MHz increase on the Foxconn board and 310 compared to the SB600 board..all with a minimal increase in CPU voltage.
The CPU would not even post past 2970 on the Foxconn board, regardless of using the BIOS or AOD for clocking, we had to drop to 2870 for stability. On the ASUS board it was fine at 2970 but going over 3GHz meant locks or non-POST situation. There is a wall with this particular CPU and ACC does something for it... that was the one test that just amazed us.. the rest are semi-interesting.
Phenom 9850BE - Highest Core Speed | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC On | 3400 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4750V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 3100 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4375V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 3100 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4250V |
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If we simply push for highest core speed, ACC makes a 300MHz difference. Our 9850 could hit 3.1GHz on the two reference configurations, but 3.4GHz was possible on the A79A-S with ACC enabled.
Next we tried a retail Phenom 9950 BE:
Phenom 9950BE - Highest Core Speed | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC On | 3500 | 200 | 2000 | 2400 | 1066 | 1.4750V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 3400 | 200 | 2000 | 2400 | 1066 | 1.4750V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 3400 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4675V |
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Our latest retail Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition overclocks quite well, 3.4GHz isn't a problem. Here ACC doesn't make much of a difference at all, 100MHz is all we get.
We have included performance result screen shots in the following gallery.
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ZootyGray - Friday, July 25, 2008 - link
@ xrayAgree. However we don't know. Are they going to keep it secret? Is it about competition? or proprietary? Is there more to it? Is there a hidden ?thing? in Phenom? Is there "black magic"? Has it all been a deliberate lag behind so that they can come roaring back to life and look like the greatest thing since the resurrection? Look what they did to nvidiot with the 48x0 release. And the new CEO wants to offer more performance. Lots going on here = wow! This has my attention, and I want facts.
My point is that Anandtech is already barking up this same tree - they don't know - they have inquired - and they are reporting known facts - and that is the real food that we have come to eat. More will be revealed. Maybe the answer is the "don't dare mention"; but I doubt that. Maybe a lot of things. It's all exciting to me as AMD makes some noise.
I watch and wait.
eetnoyer - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
"error of margin"?I think you meant confirmation, not conformation.
The Preacher - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
The clock speed reported by CPU need not tell the whole story. The new system might actually drop a clock cycle here and there and might not increase the CPU performance at all, despite the higher reported frequency.CyberHawk - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
What is the product that we dare not mention its name? Mentioned twice in the article.If there is word about Overdrive Utility I guess that it is a new CPU on horizon.
What do you think?
nubie - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
I don't think it is a new CPU, in "Final words" they seem to hint it is a new IGP with a lot more performance on tap.If they can storm the market with a 4850 for $200, I am sure that they can integrate something to run today's games at minimum settings on the motherboard and keep it under that price.
luk1999 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
Could you test overclocking on this motherboard with some standard (non-Black Edition) Phenom?dvijaydev46 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
I wish you did at least a few benchmarks and published. I was very curious to see how a phenom performs at 3.5 GHz.MikeODanyurs - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
My SB (supposedly SB700) has the same production week and only 2 digits and one letter difference on my Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS2H motherboard. Anyone know if it's the letter or the 2 digit numbers that identify the SB750?http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w35/IITravel/DS...">http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w35/IITravel/DS...
imaheadcase - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Hardly can read pictures.. :POrphanShadow - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
I know the pin link with Phenom chips is what gives them the extra headroom with ACC, but will this also apply to the AM2+ Budapest based Opteron Quads too?