AMD's SB750: Enabling Higher Phenom Overclocks?
by Gary Key on July 23, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Testing the Theory - Does it Overclock Any Better?
We started by getting a reference overclock out of one of our Phenom processors, in this case a Phenom X4 9850BE. We picked this processor as it has difficulties clocking past 3.1GHz. In fact, this processor seemed to hit a wall around 3.0GHz and changing the HT Ref Clock past 200 just made matters worse as attainable clock speeds would actually decrease. Even then, we had to tune just about every setting in the BIOS to have a stable platform in the 3.0GHz range. Our initial results with this CPU matched the profile that AMD told us would probably benefit the most from ACC.
We will also provide results with our newly arrived Phenom X4 9950BE that seems to be the pick of the retail lot in early testing. For those of you with the earlier B2 stepping 9600BE, we hope to have results shortly. While ACC should provide benefits such as higher clocks or lower voltages, we were skeptical as to any benefits we would gain with a processor that does not seem to need any tuning. As it turned out, our intuition was almost on the money. We ended up with a 100MHz higher core speed but that was about it. Although not shown, the biggest improvement with ACC came in the 2.6GHz to 3.0GHz range where we could set NB speed to 2.6GHz with absolute stability. With ACC switched off, our NB speed dropped to 2.4GHz and processor voltage at 3.0GHz increased to 1.35V compared to the stock 1.304V.
Phenom 9850BE - Highest Core Speed / Stock Voltages | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC On | 3000 | 200 | 2000 | 2000 | 1066 | 1.312V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 2800 | 200 | 2000 | 2000 | 1066 | 1.312V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 2800 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.312V |
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At stock voltages and stock HT/NB speeds, the highest our 9850BE sample would reach was 2.80GHz. This was true on both the ASUS M3A32-MVP as well as the Foxconn A79A-S. Turning on ACC let us hit 3.0GHz without adjusting the CPU's voltage at all. So far, so good.
Phenom 9850BE - Highest Core Speed / HT Ref Clock | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 3280 | 205 | 2050 | 2255 | 1093 | 1.4250V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 2870 | 205 | 2050 | 2255 | 1093 | 1.4125V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 2970 | 205 | 2050 | 2255 | 1093 | 1.4000V |
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This particular CPU acts really strange when trying to increase the HT frequency, anything over 205MHz usually meant decreasing clocks in a hurry, no matter voltages, NB speeds, or HT settings. We found it amazing that turning on ACC all of a sudden allowed a 410MHz increase on the Foxconn board and 310 compared to the SB600 board..all with a minimal increase in CPU voltage.
The CPU would not even post past 2970 on the Foxconn board, regardless of using the BIOS or AOD for clocking, we had to drop to 2870 for stability. On the ASUS board it was fine at 2970 but going over 3GHz meant locks or non-POST situation. There is a wall with this particular CPU and ACC does something for it... that was the one test that just amazed us.. the rest are semi-interesting.
Phenom 9850BE - Highest Core Speed | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC On | 3400 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4750V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 3100 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4375V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 3100 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4250V |
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If we simply push for highest core speed, ACC makes a 300MHz difference. Our 9850 could hit 3.1GHz on the two reference configurations, but 3.4GHz was possible on the A79A-S with ACC enabled.
Next we tried a retail Phenom 9950 BE:
Phenom 9950BE - Highest Core Speed | ||||||
Vista 32 | Core Speed | HT Ref Clock | HT Link Speed | North Bridge Speed | Memory Speed | CPU VID |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC On | 3500 | 200 | 2000 | 2400 | 1066 | 1.4750V |
Foxconn A79A-S ACC Off | 3400 | 200 | 2000 | 2400 | 1066 | 1.4750V |
ASUS M3A32-MVP No ACC | 3400 | 200 | 2000 | 2200 | 1066 | 1.4675V |
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Our latest retail Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition overclocks quite well, 3.4GHz isn't a problem. Here ACC doesn't make much of a difference at all, 100MHz is all we get.
We have included performance result screen shots in the following gallery.
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helldrell666 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
I dont why, but when it comes to AMDs products, i get the worst scores from anandtech reviews.Maybe,Charlie demirjian was right after all, anandtech hate AMD.
I got the worst 4870 results from anandtech.
At tomshardware and techreport, the 4870 did much better.
In your previous review,the 9850BE reached 3.3GHz on 1.38v.
Do you hate AMD anandtech?
cdbular - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
"Do you hate AMD anandtech?"No they don't, but Intel maintains this WEB, Just look at the ads in the page...
ZootyGray - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
Ads? What ads?Dude - you would enjoy FIREFOX w 'Ad Blocker' - there are no ads :)
helldrell666 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Im tired of shintel and nshitia. All this propaganda to destroy the image of AMd/ATI.But,the time will coe when DAAMIT will rape them all.Its just a matter of time.
jdizzle1337 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Too bad AMD hasn't worked itself back to having the credibility to create "rumors".Phenom round 1 was 100% hype and obsolete upon release. Sorry AMD you are on believe it when i see it status.
wingless - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Did you not read the review? The SB750 works as advertised in a big way.Guuts - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link
AMD actually advertised something?? :-pHarbmike99 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Yea I know the CPU has a bug. I have never seen it I have the patch turn off. But will this new SB help it too. I have not overclocked it (too much just once to see if I could get 2.5, and I did) because I am stil useing a older AM2 board, and I am planing to buy a new board and give the old board and X2 cpu to a freind.So will it help?
I would love to get to 3 ghz. I have seen some say on fourms they got that. What so you guys think?
jay2o01 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Anyone else intersted how a Phenom 9850 performs at 3.0 ghz with a 2.4ghz+ NB? What kind of improvements would this yield over the stock speeds?Zisyncmon - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link
Yeah I'd agree, it will take some benchmarking to really see what improvement this OC'ing does to performance, but I am sure they are busy finding good settings to test at.