The FTC Sues Intel Over CPU & GPU Competition
by Ryan Smith on December 16, 2009 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Intel’s Response
Intel wasted no time in responding to the FTC’s suit. In their response, Intel has denied the accusations, and insisted that they have competed “fairly and lawfully,” noting that prices (ASPs) have been declining at a rate faster than any other industry.
Of particular note in Intel’s response is their claim that the FTC’s case “is based largely on claims that the FTC added at the last minute and has not investigated.” This we’re assuming means all of the GPU-related claims. You can read into this several ways, but our take is that Intel is more concerned with the GPU-related claims than the CPU-related claims at this moment.
Finally, Intel is understandably annoyed that this even reached the lawsuit stage. As we mentioned before Intel was already in settlement talks with the FTC, and believes that the issue should have been resolved there. In the failure of these talks, Intel has cited that the FTC “insisted on unprecedented remedies – including the restrictions on lawful price competition and enforcement of intellectual property rights set forth in the complaint.” As the FTC would not back down on their requested remedies and Intel would not accept them, this is what has lead to the case moving on to a lawsuit.
What the FTC Wants
So what does the FTC want? For one thing, not money. In their claims and requested remedies, they have not asked for any kind of fine, but rather are focusing exclusively on enforcing changes in the way Intel conducts business. This means their remedies are entirely corrective, rather than being a mix of corrective and punitive remedies such as what the EU has gone for.
What the FTC wants for Christmas: For Intel to license DMI
For their corrective remedies, here is what the FTC wants:
- For Intel to stop doing all of the things mentioned above.
- Intel cannot require OEMs to purchase only Intel CPUs and GPUs, purchase them in specific quantities, or to not purchase competitors GPUs and CPUs. This is effectively a stab at the rebates Intel has been offering for bulk purchasing, and the advertising help Intel has been offering to bulk purchasers.
- To stop prioritizing CPU shipments to loyal OEMs.
- To stop withholding technical support from disloyal OEMs.
- For Intel to be disallowed from producing/distributing any software or hardware that unreasonably excludes or inhibits the performance of competitors’ GPUs and CPUs.
- To stop selling things below cost. The FTC is defining this as being the average variable cost plus a “contribution to Intel’s fixed sunk costs in an appropriate multiple of that average variable cost.”
- For Intel to do a few different things about the versions of their compiler that put AMD at a disadvantage (which the FTC is calling the Defective Compiler): offer a substitute compiler to customers for free that is not a Defective Compiler, or to compensate customers in switching to another compiler, to provide notice to software buyers of products compiled using the Defective Compiler that they may need to replace their software.
- To stop Intel from making misleading statements.
- To prevent Intel from coercing benchmark organizations into adopting misleading benchmarks.
- For Intel to license the QPI and DMI buses to 3rd party chipset manufacturers.
- For Intel to not block the Global Foundries deal (AMD and Intel already settled this) or any similar deal that VIA might make.
- For Intel to stop badmouthing competing products unless they have solid scientific evidence.
- For Intel to foot the bill for the independent organization that will monitor this.
It’s a long list, but there’s nothing in it that’s particularly surprising. The FTC’s ultimate goal is to get Intel to stop engaging in all of the anti-competitive actions they have been engaging in for the last decade, and to have them directly monitored for an indefinite period of time in the future to make sure they do not resume these actions.
On an interesting note, the FTC chose an unusual way to go about this suit. Without getting into the nitty-gritty of anti-trust laws, the FTC has multiple sections of the FTC act to charge violators under. Normally when they engage in a lawsuit, they charge them under Section 2, which allows for harmed consumers to sue violators in private for triple damages. The FTC has decided that it’s in the best interest of everyone to not open Intel to that kind of liability or to take the risk that they’ll lose the suit based on that kind of liability, and instead charge them under Section 5. The big difference between the sections is that a Section 5 violation only leaves Intel open to the damages caused by their actions, and not to triple that price tag. Overall the use of Section 5 is very rare compared to Section 2, but the use of it is growing according to the FTC.
At this point we do not have any idea what the price tag would be on damages for Intel if they were to lose this suit, but it’s a reasonable expectation that it won’t be cheap, going into the billions of dollars. Triple damages would make that even higher. As triple damages were established as a punitive solution, this is consistent with the FTC’s position that they are not trying to enact a punitive remedy upon Intel.
Conclusion
So when does this battle royale kick-off? Not for a while, it seems. The case is currently scheduled to go before a judge on Wednesday, September 15th of 2010, which is 9 months from now. Even if it were to start on time (it likely won’t), a ruling would take an equally long time. It may be 2012 before the case is ruled on, later if the case starts late.
In the meantime, there are the positions of NVIDIA, Intel, and AMD to consider. Despite the FTC’s immediate concerns, with the recent cancelation of Larrabee Prime, Intel probably isn’t the risk to the GPU market that the FTC believes they are. The question will be what Intel will be announcing in 2010 as the successor to Larrabee Prime, and what actions they may be taking. It’s not in their best interests with this case to engage in anything that might be seen as disparaging of AMD or NVIDIA GPUs, which in turn may influence Intel’s actions here.
As for AMD, for them this entire matter is largely settled when it comes to CPUs. Their exposure on the GPU side is a bit more nebulous – they aren’t going to make integrated GPUs for Intel processors, so their exposure is in the smaller discrete GPU market. Without a better idea of what the FTC is accusing Intel of when it comes to discrete GPUs, it’s hard to say what the impact of this is. If this stops Intel’s anti-GPGPU efforts however, then it’s going to be good news for AMD’s efforts in that field.
Fermi: Intel's greatest fear?
And finally there’s NVIDIA. NVIDIA has been on a crash-course with Intel for some time now, and they would have it no other way. For NVIDIA this has been a very good month: first Larrabee Prime gets canceled, and now the FTC is going to fight Intel in court over several issues that effectively has the FTC fighting Intel on NVIDIA’s behalf. This could go a very long way in boosting NVIDIA’s GPGPU efforts with Fermi, not to mention the fact that the IGP chipset business has been quite good to NVIDIA lately and is something they would like to continue. This suit could come quite close to defanging Intel from NVIDIA’s perspective.
On a long-term perspective, we’re left wondering where this is going to leave the entire market when it comes to GPU/CPU integration. Both AMD and Intel have been pushing it, with Intel preparing CPUs with both on-chip and on-die GPUs. Could a successful FTC suit put a stop to this Fusion for Intel? Will this slow down or stop GPU/CPU integration for the entire market, and greatly benefit CPU-less NVIDIA in the process? The outcome of this case could very well have an impact greater than just stopping any anti-competitive actions Intel is engaging in, so it’s going to be something we’ll be keeping a very close eye on.
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MonkeyPaw - Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - link
For all we know, the "Defective Compiler" has been causing instability for nVidia (and other) products. After all, those chipsets are stuck interfacing with what ends up being Intel-defined standards. If specs on new features are handled like USB3, then competitors are stuck playing catchup.dagamer34 - Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - link
It'll probably require that Intel make versions of their CPUs with no GPUs on die at a lower cost. If an OEM doesn't want to spend the extra money to buy a GPU with a CPU, it shouldn't have to. Bundling products together gets you into hot water with the FTC when you're in a monopoly position.Hector1 - Thursday, December 17, 2009 - link
Really ? Do you have a clue what you're suggesting ? Just how do you define GPU legally ?Do we stop at GPUs ? How about L2 Cache, multi-core or any other additional piece of logic Intel (or AMD) would add to the 'CPU'. Intel wouldn't include GPUs but we'd allow AMD to do that and allow Nvidia to include CPU logic to their GPU ? Would we have 1 set of rules for Intel and another for everyone else ? For how long ?
Maybe we should break up the big ICs into separate smaller ICs so that everyone can jump in and compete ? Let's go back and breakup chipsets into smaller pieces like they used to be to allow the guys who couldn't keep up and compete back in the game. Let's take the L2 cache out of the CPUs and re-enable the memory guys to compete again in this space. Oh, I almost forgot. That would lower performance and increase the costs across the board and we'd go back to paying $2000 for a standard desktop.
Should we nationalize Intel and force them to open up their wafer fabs to everyone else ? Who would set the prices ? The FTC ? Maybe the Congress should setup an Intel Governing committee to manage the business.
As long Intel is selling their 'bundles' or anything else above cost at a profit, and they don't tell customers they can't buy from anyone else, what exactly is broken ? How is the FTC going to dictate and manage the technology roadmap if they're going to start dictating day-to-day business decisions? What exactly is free market & competition anyway ?
Think before you leap.
jconan - Monday, December 21, 2009 - link
microsoft was being handed the same verdict in their bundling of certain apps as being monopolistic however their competitors apple, linux distributions, sky, amiga all bundle their os with apps that microsoft can't...Scali - Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - link
I don't agree with this decision, but at least with software, it's not that big of a deal.Microsoft can still offer IE, Media Player and other apps as free downloads. So anyone who wants it can still install it,
Intel can't have you 'download' and install a GPU for your CPU. It would effectively lock them out of that market, ironically enough making AMD the monopolist on integrated x86+GPU chips.
It just doesn't work.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - link
Anyone care for an Apple? I would think they might have something to say as well if it gets ugly.blyndy - Thursday, December 17, 2009 - link
I don't think Apple has anything to do with this case.Back on topic, I believe that Intel effectively defrauded AMD of possibly tens of billions of dollars in revenue. Intel should be forced to return those ill-gotten-gains to AMD and THEN be fined.
Intel may have even set AMD into a future bankruptcy, given their current uncertain situation. If AMD does go bankrupt Intel should be forced to fund and license a new and independent x86 producer until that new producer has attained the same market share equivalent, and performance difference as AMD vs Intel at the time just before Intel's monopolistic practises began. The new producer should get the design aid of Intel's engineers should AMDs staff be dispersed by the time the new producer is established.
In effect if Intel's unlawful actions could reasonably be considered to have led to the demise of their main competitor, they shouldn't be aloud to live with the benefits of their wrong-doing, namely a monopoly, and instead be forced to establish an equivalent competitor.
Aries1470 - Saturday, December 19, 2009 - link
Well, may I remind you that AMD is NOT the only producer of x86 CPU's. There is still Via making them. Now if you were to say you wanted another manufacturer to take on Intel at the same height that AMD has, well then I guess there are MANY companies that can come back that either had licence to make x86 cpu's (from the 486 / 586 (pentium era)) or they still do, but for whatever reason they have not done so. IBM is a company that can come back in to this market, but would they be willing to? I think most of the companies at that point in time would have had the MMX extensions only, and not the SSEn (n=number versions). Then the royalties will come in to play etc. Then, would they need to create their own socket or which way would they go? AMD or Intel, or their own proprietary version?If you did some research, nVidia was recruiting in the past x86 engineers. There was speculation that they were getting ready to enter the CPU side of things, but everything quieted done and I haven't found any other updates on that matter.
As for Intel's Larrabee, maybe they chose to continue developing it, instead of releasing it, due to the FTC. Hasn't anyone noticed the timing of this? That way the FTC has one less hand to play at them, and they get to mature their product and testing it and developing it. Maybe they will release a special version of it in IGP form for the moment, or they may do something that will not be consumer centric and would be for industry, where they do NOT care that much, since it is a final design with specific parameters. Look at Medical, Production lines etc. Many places to hide something ;-)
That is my 2¢ anyway
iwodo - Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - link
Rumors has been circulating that Apple wants an Intel Nehamlem Dual Core CPU without the crap Intel HD Ggfx next to it. I could only imagine how intel response.I could only hope Intel lost, pay 1 billion to Nvidia, and forced to liscense DMI and QPI to Nv. After all Intel 's foul play insisting that connection to CPU is different from FSB to DMI / QPI. Making consumer have less choose in choosing a decent Chipset. ( Intel 's chipset has been poor, lack of innovation and just seems cheap. )
And hopefully it will finally get rid of Intel iGFX.
Duwelon - Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - link
Intel integrated graphics are crap for anything other than powerpoint, but to say their chipsets in general are subpar is anything but a flat out lie. Intel's chipsets are the most reliable there are right now.