Lab Update: Old P4s in Bench & OCZ's 30GB/60GB Vertex SSDs
by Anand Lal Shimpi on June 9, 2009 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
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A few weeks back I introduced you all to a tool I’d been working on for a while called Bench.
Bench, in its current form, is a database of CPU performance data allowing you to compare virtually any modern day desktop CPUs. With the recent launch of the Core i7 975 and the Athlon II X2 processors there are now 78 individual CPUs represented in Bench.
In my introductory post I asked what sort of older CPUs you’d like to see included. The top suggestions were as follows:
Intel’s Pentium 4
AMD’s Athlon XP
VIA’s Nano
You asked, and I delivered. Well...I started to at least.
The first chip I added was the Pentium 4 660. Based on Intel’s Prescott core, the 660 was a single-core Pentium 4 with Hyper Threading enabled. In today’s more threaded world, HT is more useful than when the 660 first came out. The chip runs at 3.6GHz and was built on a 90nm process.
In many tests even a Pentium E2160 (1.6GHz dual-core Conroe derivative) is 15 - 50% faster than the Pentium 4 660. The Pentium E5200 kicks the advantage up to the 50 - 80% range thanks to a much higher clock speed than the E2160 (2.50GHz for the E5200). The main take away point is that you don’t have to spend more than $50 - $70 on a CPU to see a significant performance improvement over the Pentium 4 660.
The Pentium EE 955 (left) and the Pentium 4 660 (right)
The second chip I added was the Pentium Extreme Edition 955. This was one of the fastest processors ever made in the Pentium 4 era, only bested by the Pentium EE 965. Take two 65nm Cedar Mill die put them on the same package and you’ve got a dual-core Presler. With 376 million transistors the Pentium EE 955 ran at 3.46GHz and thanks to its Hyper Threading support, could execute four threads at the same time.
Intel was right about threading being the future. The quad-threaded Pentium EE 955 fared much better today than I expected, partly due to its ability to juggle more threads. The Pentium E5300 is significantly faster in many areas (40%+ in some tests), but surprisingly there are some situations where the golden oldie is close. Fallout 3 has the Pentium EE 955 within 10% of the E5300, as did the multi-threaded PAR2 test. Overall you’d see a significant performance improvement going to a $70 CPU. Although you may never again spend $1000 on a CPU if you decide to pursue that upgrade.
Lynnfield and then SSDs
In my last Lab Update I talked about working on SSDs, unfortunately I had to leave out the part about me working on a preview of Intel's Lynnfield processor. I must say that the Lynnfield testing went much better than I expected. I had the whole thing wrapped up in under a day and didn't have a single crash or performance issue to try and resolve.
Compared to my early Nehalem testing, Lynnfield actually fared even better. While my first Nehalem ran at higher clock speeds, the first Nehalem motherboards had issues with memory performance. Lynnfield worked very well for what I was testing, although I did hear that CrossFire/SLI weren't working very well on those early platforms.
I am curious to see how Intel manages the LGA-1156 vs. LGA-1366 platform split. Intel claims to be committed to LGA-1366 but I do see a lot of potential in LGA-1156; I believe it'll be a difficult job to maintain both platforms without artificially crippling one. We'll see if Intel is up to the task later this year.
My SSD testing is progressing well. There are a couple of items worth reporting on.
1) Windows 7 does currently support TRIM.
2) No SSDs currently enable TRIM support under Windows 7.
OCZ is expected to have TRIM support on its Vertex drives shortly, potentially within the next month from what I've read on their forums. Samsung's latest drive will have TRIM support once Microsoft has released Windows 7; I'm guessing that means September/October.
Intel is remaining curiously quiet on the TRIM issue. I would like to see the existing X25-M drives retrofitted with TRIM as I think that would be a tremendous goodwill gesture on Intel's part; I get that the X25-M is already the fastest thing on the market, but that's no reason to avoid thanking your customers for their support in my mind.
The WePC Update
Last week I talked about two important trends I'm seeing in the CPU industry. Here's a hint: power management is really becoming more important in microprocessor design.
OCZ's Vertex 30GB and 60GB Drives: Slower?
I've been testing the OCZ Vertex 30GB and 60GB drives fairly thoroughly over the past couple of weeks and I've got some early data to report.
1) The 30GB and 60GB drives are about 20 - 35% slower in sequential read and write speed than the 120GB drives.
2) Small file random read/write speed is unaffected. The entire lineup of Vertex drives, regardless of size, performs the same when dealing with small file random access.
3) As a result, real world performance is mostly unaffected by going for a smaller drive. PCMark scores are only around 4 - 5% lower on the smaller drives.
You should have no issues opting for a smaller Vertex drive, but the 120GB drive continues to be a better buy. Not only do you get better performance, but from what I've seen you get a much lower cost per GB than the smaller drives. OCZ's 30GB Vertex actually has a cost per GB greater than Intel's X25-M.
Expect more of this in my upcoming SSD article.
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TA152H - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
You're a typical consumer, and that's a typical, mainstream observation, and I don't disagree with it from that perspective.If you look closer though, it shouldn't have lost so much performance for what has been changed. Not nearly so much. There's something more to it than this. You'll see in time.
aeternitas - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
TA152H, please shut up. You're a bunch of hot air. We already saw Anands numbers, we already know what it will do. None of your BS will change the fact that its an extremely solid alternative to i7 especially in times where money is tight.You're so simple minded and driven by one thing you don't understand business at all. Thats why Intel is a multi-billion dollar company and you're a troll on tech website.
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
I don't know what the hell you got against Lynnfield, but its not as HORRIBLE as you think even if it wasn't the final version. There's at least one factor which made performance lower on Lynnfield per clock than the Core i7 920 on AT's review, and that is Turbo Mode.Depending on the application we are comparing 2.66GHz Lynnfield(which didn't have Turbo Mode since the max went to a speed grade above 2.13GHz as a ES) to a 2.8GHz-2.93GHz i7 920.
Its sort of like saying we shouldn't hire new employees because they are worse than the experienced employees.
lopri - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
It's called "Buyer's remorse".TA152H - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
You really have no concepts of how processors work, so I guess that's the main issue.I did mention it's pre-release silicon, and I hope that's the issue. If it's not ...
There's really no way a memory controller should be soooooo much slower. It's not that the Lynnfield is worthless, it's just too slow for what it is. It's very, very hard to get a processor that much slower with main memory accesses, since the cache should minimize it a lot.
I'll put it in simple terms you might understand. Have you ever noticed that in most memory benchmarks, even between vastly different speed memories, at vastly varying costs, with different timings, you really only see minimum differences in performances? And that's with different memory!!!!! The Lynnfield is using the same memory, the same internal processor, the same cache, and the loss in performance is very noticeable. Now, if you look at it as a user with no concept of anything else, it's not so bad, because it's still good enough. I would have this perspective if they removed the L3 cache, or, did something where you'd expect this loss, and the cost savings for making the processor made sense.
But, the changes to the Lynnfield shouldn't be so dramatic, or even close to it. The changes to the memory controller shouldn't have so much impact, unless Intel screwed around with something to make it slower. If you only use two memory channels for the Nehalem, it will not lose much performance, and will still EASILY outperform the Lynnfield at the same clock speed. So, why is there so much performance drop-off?
Also, because of the dramatic loss in memory performance, you'd expect scaling to less.
So, the performance isn't bad, from a high level perspective of the chip being useful or not, but it's horrible considering what Intel's said they changed, and I'm sure there's more than meets the eye hear. Again, unless it's just pre-release hardware that's running slow.
One way or another, I'll say this, the memory controller should not hurt the performance that dramatically. Either performance will go up with the 'golden' edition, of we'll find there's another difference. What's being told just doesn't make any sense, and when things don't make sense, there's a reason we don't know that's making it so.
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
The performance differences are less than 5% in average and Core i7 920 can Turbo for additional 5-10% faster over base. Are you kidding me?IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
"I don't know what the hell you got against Lynnfield, but its not as HORRIBLE as you think even if it "wasn't" the final version.The quoted word should be "was".
smith1795 - Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - link
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zorblack - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
How about a review on the Patriot Torqx series. I'd love to see how these fair against Vertex & Intel.Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, June 9, 2009 - link
Already have it in the lab. It's the same drive as the OCZ Vertex so don't expect any performance differences. It does come with a 2.5" to 3.5" drive bay adapter which I thought was a great idea on Patriot's part.Take care,
Anand