So i bought a360 Elite July 25/08. Just 2 days ago i got the E74 single red ring and now my elite will not run period, I'm currently waiting to ship it out to get repaired. Now my Elite has a MFD of Jan.19/08 BUT says 16.5a on the 12v rail, THE TWIST is i have a 175w falcon power brick. So indeed my Elite is a Falcon despite the misleading labels on the back of the console. My xbox elite BOX says LOT NO: 0803 TEAM:CSON and it says 47-63Hz, 203W!!!!!!! Definitely misleading give the power brick is a falcon and the connector on the console is a falcon!!!!! Now im not going to wait to send out my console, get it repaired and get it back, im going to buy another one, i would like to get the PRO but after alot of searching i havent read there have been sightings for the JASPER on the PRO 60gig console,,,,so is this true??? i dont want an arcade BUT i want a JASPER...but let it be known to ALLLLLLL ive owned my 360 ELITE for just UNDER 8 MONTHS and got E74, i knew of ALL the problems and BABIED my machine! its definitely the GPU as my HDMI cable is working FINE...and when i smell the machine around the HDMI/AV connectors it smells BURNT, DEFINITELY something overheated and malfunctioned most likely the GPU has been dislogded or damanged and I HOPE when my ELITE gets repair they repair it with the JASPER motherboard...
well i just picked up a new xbox 360 and i read up before i baught, i found out that jaspers were released in august. i had the retailer look at my system only to find out that mine was built in agust thus meaning that it has the jasper set up in it, the retailer also confirmed it for me. so im just here to say that, hell yeah there out there. peace.
I've been looking for a Jasper xbox, for about a week. I have bought and retured several Archade xboxes over the past week. I can only tell you what I have experenced.
1) NONE of the xboxs made on 10/23/08 (or before) with lot number 843X were jasper units (at least none of the ones I bought. . .5 from all from different stores). They all came with 175watt power supplies, and external memory. So those were most likely Falcon units.
2) I found an xbox archade (at Best Buy) built on 10/27/08 with a lot number of 844X and it came with a 150watt power supply and NO external memory.
3) You can identify the xbox by looking at the box. On one of the sides, there is a window that allows you to view the data sticker on the actual side of the xbox. Sometimess you have to use one of your keys to lift up the cardboad to read the build date on the top of the sticker. Also, you will notice in on of the lines of the same sticker "844", and an "844X" on another sticker on the side of the box.
4) If you buy and xbox, just be very careful about how you open and re-pack the box, and you will be albe to return it without issues. I simply opened the box, un-stacked everything . ..and then read the power supply sticker through the green bag. If it didn't say 150watt, I re-boxed everything and returned it.
So one of the theories is that the power brick will be less than 175w, but even if the Jasper will use less power is this likely?
I feel like it'd just be a headache for MS to throw different power bricks out into the wild that may or may not be compatible with your XBox, depending on whether it was a "Jasper" or not. I'm no electronics expert, but would plugging in an older XBox to a lower wattage power brick possibly cause damage? Even if it didn't (say, the unit just wouldn't power on), it'd probably still be a headache for MS to deal with customer service calls of ppl claiming their XBox is busted.
And, yea, I know most people don't swap XBoxes around but you gotta aggregate the problem over a large population. For example, last Christmas my two brothers both brought their XBoxes home, and their was some swapping of power units with XBoxes since sometimes we'd plug in a different XBox to the TV to access different saved game data, etc. I wouldn't think to take extra precaution to ensure the right power bricks were hooked up to their respective XBoxes.
I'm just about to buy a new Xbox 360 since my old "Core" got RRoD for the second time an officialy is dead.
I went to a few stores looking for the so called "Jasper" signs: an MFR as early as 2008-08-06, Lot 8031 and up (I guess they meen 0831) and Team CSON.
So far I have found two differens versions. One Premium 60GB called "Holiday Bundle" with MFR 2008-08-08 and Lot 0834 and one Arcade with MFR 2008-08-10 and
Lot 0839. The thing is that both these had Team ADUE and NOT Team CSON. Could this still be the famous "Jasper" model?
Hrmm from my OC'ing comps exp, I immediately started modding my consoles for better cooling just as if they were PCs. Open the box up, replacing any and all HSFs and IC chip coolers with more beefy cut-offs from aluminum and copper sinks traditionally used in high-audio equipment or from an old CPU/PSU. Also, I would use my thermal paste (AS5/IC7) on them and or coat the POS thermal-pads with the TIM material as it fills in more gaps and thus aids in the cooling efficiency—since many of the heat-source-to-sink contact points are huge gaps of space b/c of the poor contact standards etc... it definitely made a world of diff. You could feel and see (with a thermometer) the temp changes. More heat escaping from the unit vs baking the ICs/CPU/misc components inside.
Sounds a bit tedious and extreme, when you could either not bother, and just return it. It's a hobby so why not? GL.
guys i live in singapore and i spotted an xbox with lot no. 0834 yesterday... the guy let me open the flap and the manufacture date was 24th august 2008... other than that there is no way to tell if its a jasper but id say theres a good chance it was...
There is more that a few sources that do not think Blue Ray will be around for more than a few years. After winning the high Def war, sales has not taken off as predicted. Many people are satisfied with standard DVD's and up-conversion players.
I would guess that most Blue Ray DVD's are just up-conversions anyway. It is not like they were originally recorded in high def. Maybe new movies are now recorded in high def, not likely movies made more that 1 or 2 years ago.
You seriously cannot be this un-educated, can you?
Movies are filmed on (gasp), film.
Do a little research, but 35mm can generally capture 4 times the amount of usable resolution than 1080p can display.
IF you are talking about films made on the (older) Digital equipment (and a handful were, I grant you), then yes 1080p is what it was filmed at, and that is how you should show it.
If you are confusing TV shows with Movies, then yes, TV dramas/comedies did recently switch to HD, but HD has been broadcast since 2001 in this country, and soon after the shows began "filming" on HD Digital cameras.
I don't agree that HD video is useless, but I think that these closed standards are crap. Let us watch the damn content without these stupid restrictions. Sell the HD content without the crap DRM, where does it end? Will we all be forced to have a DRM chip implanted in our heads that won't allow us to see if DRM content is being played? Laugh, but don't laugh too hard.
Yes, 35mm film has enough resolution for 1080 lines, but it is no guarantee that if you buy a Blue Ray movie that the DVD maker used the 35mm source. I have seen in several places that a Blue Ray movie was made using an up converted standard DVD to save on production costs. Digitizing the original movie is expensive. Up converting the standard resolution DVD is much quicker to market and less expensive. There is no guarantee that a Blue Ray movie was made from the original 35mm film.
I realize I am so un-educated, but YOU look it up. There are many complaints about the quality of high def movies. The quality of some movies are NO BETTER than a standard DVD that up converts. Sorry, but true!
Are you serious? It's the whole POINT of Blu-Ray. Sure, they could catalog entire series' of standard-def TV shows on a couple of dual-layer discs in one normal-sized BD case, but they haven't begun doing that and may never do so (consumers think extra discs = extra value, hence, some DVD box sets use single layer discs to increase the disc count).
"I would guess that most Blue Ray DVD's are just up-conversions anyway." BAD guess.
Even the original Star Trek series on was filmed (not taped) and looks great on HD-DVD and will look great on BD when they get around to releasing their back-catalog of HD-DVD exclusives.
I've heard of ONE standard-def upscaled 1080p movie and that is only because it was a huge mistake and it was BIG news. A replacement program was issued and real 1080p resolution prints were made and given to all the people who bought the original defective discs. IIRC, it was The 5th Element with The 5th Element Remastered.
Here's a novel concept: YOU do the research before trying to make points with information you don't have. Also, it's "Blu-Ray" ("Blue-Ray" wouldn't be trademark-able). Hard to take you seriously when it's clear you know so little. :D FWIW, "Star Wars EP2 - Attack of the Clones" was filmed entirely digitally many years ago and many more movies are filmed entirely digitally today at much higher resolutions than BD. CGI movies got digital-to-digital transfers at the full resolution of the medium as far back as Disney/Pixar's "A Bug's Life" in 1998. And the basic misconception that HD is only for newer movies is laughable... 4k is the standard archival resolution for 35mm, a format that has been in use since before your parents or grandparents were born. Watch Top Gun or Blade Runner on BD and just think about how much better it would have been had time not degraded the film.
I think you're confusing transfers and encodes. Transfers ALWAYS originate with a 35mm or 70mm print. Pretty much every studio has been doing transfers to MPEG-2 @2160p which is the equivalent resolution of 35mm film.
Bottom line: Transfers are expensive.
Once they have a transfer, then they encode a film for the destination media. MPEG-2 @480p for DVD, MPEG-2@720p or 1080i for HDTV/D-Theater or AVC/VC-1@1080p for Blu-Ray(and HD DVD). Some of the early Blu-Ray and HD DVD releases were just ports of the HDTV/D-Theater encodes. They weren't so great.
So your claim that there are Blu-Ray (and HD DVD) titles on the shelf today that are simply DVD encodes is just flat out FALSE.
That said, there are plenty of examples of poor transfers and encodes, but 99 times out of 100, even those look far better than any unconverted DVD. Upconversion can make the picture from a DVD look better, but it can't create detail that isn't in the MPEG-2 source, nor can it make that 640kbps audio stream sound as good as a 1.5mbps DolbyDigital Plus/DTS-HD or 5mbps TrueHD/DST-HD Master Audio soundtrack.
I've still got my original Xbox360 from launch week. It doesn't get a ton of play like my Xbox did, but it gets used regularly for games and movies. It is stock and sits in a cabinet with an open back. Not all boxes RRoD.
Been tempted, but seriously at minimum the Xbox needs to do Bluray. But realistically that won't be enough. A next gen box with BR will probably finally convince me to cave in and buy one of these things.
Been tempted, but seriously at minimum the Xbox needs to do Bluray. But realistically that won't be enough. A next gen box with BR will probably finally convince me to cave in and buy one of these things.
I had a unique problem with Media Extender on an Xbox that I got last November and fortunately I got an extender warrantee from BB on it. It turns out that the only way to swap out the box in late August. I got home and replaced the HD and plugged it in (same sized power supply) and it runs so quiet, I can hardly hear it. Jasper???
But I'm still excited for it just to see progress.
I have an original Xbox 360 Premium Over 1.5 years old and I haven't had any problem yet (unless you count that loud DVD drive as a problem). It didn't get near as much play on it as the Wii did, but recently with Rock Band and Rock Band 2, it is getting plenty of runtime.
Jason
Same old feeble-minded fanboy comment, as well. At this point, considering the games library that the 360 has, you're better off worrying about being hit my a bus (or getting pink-slipped). Pretty silly to sit around "hoping" that a new console revision will be released at a future date that "might/should/would/could be" more reliable. Everybody complains about how unreliable the 360 was/is, yet people hit by RRoD will buy a 2nd or 3rd Xbox 360 console just to keep playing the games.
The number of games on the 360 has no bearing on getting a RROD 360 whatsoever. What a silly rebuttal. Your comment about "Yet people hit..." is a classic blanket statement that shouldn't even been made. Unless the person got too much money to burn and/or live with their your parents(yes that stupid stereotype again) no one in their right mind would keep throwing money away to replace 360s. Who's the fanboy here anyway?
Indeed. What an irrational mind! Willingness to keep buying a faulty product somehow vindicates the faulty product?? LOL. This is flawed on many levels. But the premise itself....is reliant on people having a faulty product!
As for his hilarious acusation that I'M the fanboy. Um...my last console was an Atari 5200....
But I fully admit to being an..um..un-fanboy of Microsoft. I've used their 2nd rate products for 2 decades now! I strongly dislike them. Of course that still isn't "fanboyism" as I am not advocating for one of their competitors, I WOULD if there were a direct competitor! LOL.
I bought a Falcon based Elite last Christmas. It has been used for many hours. I have not had any problems at all. Not a single error or scratched disk. I was aware of the heat issues before I bought. That is why I looked and found a Falcon based unit. Still, I placed my Xbox where it is well ventilated. What should be avoided are those small pockets in entertainment cabinets meant for DVD players/VCR's etc. Also, they should not be placed on carpet where they can sink and have ventilation holes blocked. I also have mine horizontal, although I do not think this has much effect on scratches.
I have an Elite console, I got way back in febuary. This was a replacment for a RROD, but thats not my point. I got my brother and Elite in August (his birthday and christmas presents for the next 4 years) and it came from the exact same batch as mine, so I doubt we will be seeing them in the elite models first.
Could just be they piled them up ontop, but with the promotions that microsoft has been running on their website for the elites, I would be guessing they haven't been selling that well.
Jasper will probably be out first on the main stream consoles, like the pro and arcade models.
I disagree with the author. The BEST way to get a new 360 is to take advantage of Dell's current deal and get an Elite for the princely sum of US$320. Or, you could wait until MS decides to grace us with 65nm chipsets. I'm not holding my breath, and neither should Mssrs. Shimpi and Andrawes.
I can not understand this mentality in the slightest. I'm sorry I just can't. How can you disagree? You'd have to be a complete dumbass to still go out and buy a Falcon knowing full well after reading this article that Jasper is going to be available any day now.
Heck, you'd be a complete dumbass to buy a Falcon now even if Jasper was still 2 months off.
A lot of employees care, (at least all the ones at the store I work in seem to). There's not too much we can do though. Sell or don't sell, customers still come to us and complain...
I didn't actually realize how close Jasper was. I'll have to keep a close eye on the stock we are getting in. :)
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So i bought a360 Elite July 25/08. Just 2 days ago i got the E74 single red ring and now my elite will not run period, I'm currently waiting to ship it out to get repaired. Now my Elite has a MFD of Jan.19/08 BUT says 16.5a on the 12v rail, THE TWIST is i have a 175w falcon power brick. So indeed my Elite is a Falcon despite the misleading labels on the back of the console. My xbox elite BOX says LOT NO: 0803 TEAM:CSON and it says 47-63Hz, 203W!!!!!!! Definitely misleading give the power brick is a falcon and the connector on the console is a falcon!!!!! Now im not going to wait to send out my console, get it repaired and get it back, im going to buy another one, i would like to get the PRO but after alot of searching i havent read there have been sightings for the JASPER on the PRO 60gig console,,,,so is this true??? i dont want an arcade BUT i want a JASPER...but let it be known to ALLLLLLL ive owned my 360 ELITE for just UNDER 8 MONTHS and got E74, i knew of ALL the problems and BABIED my machine! its definitely the GPU as my HDMI cable is working FINE...and when i smell the machine around the HDMI/AV connectors it smells BURNT, DEFINITELY something overheated and malfunctioned most likely the GPU has been dislogded or damanged and I HOPE when my ELITE gets repair they repair it with the JASPER motherboard...igotajasper - Monday, December 8, 2008 - link
well i just picked up a new xbox 360 and i read up before i baught, i found out that jaspers were released in august. i had the retailer look at my system only to find out that mine was built in agust thus meaning that it has the jasper set up in it, the retailer also confirmed it for me. so im just here to say that, hell yeah there out there. peace.boliskmail - Monday, December 8, 2008 - link
I've been looking for a Jasper xbox, for about a week. I have bought and retured several Archade xboxes over the past week. I can only tell you what I have experenced.1) NONE of the xboxs made on 10/23/08 (or before) with lot number 843X were jasper units (at least none of the ones I bought. . .5 from all from different stores). They all came with 175watt power supplies, and external memory. So those were most likely Falcon units.
2) I found an xbox archade (at Best Buy) built on 10/27/08 with a lot number of 844X and it came with a 150watt power supply and NO external memory.
3) You can identify the xbox by looking at the box. On one of the sides, there is a window that allows you to view the data sticker on the actual side of the xbox. Sometimess you have to use one of your keys to lift up the cardboad to read the build date on the top of the sticker. Also, you will notice in on of the lines of the same sticker "844", and an "844X" on another sticker on the side of the box.
4) If you buy and xbox, just be very careful about how you open and re-pack the box, and you will be albe to return it without issues. I simply opened the box, un-stacked everything . ..and then read the power supply sticker through the green bag. If it didn't say 150watt, I re-boxed everything and returned it.
idk - Friday, November 21, 2008 - link
There is a sticker rapped around the power cord and on it says 125V and 10A. Does that mean anything??artemicion - Monday, October 20, 2008 - link
So one of the theories is that the power brick will be less than 175w, but even if the Jasper will use less power is this likely?I feel like it'd just be a headache for MS to throw different power bricks out into the wild that may or may not be compatible with your XBox, depending on whether it was a "Jasper" or not. I'm no electronics expert, but would plugging in an older XBox to a lower wattage power brick possibly cause damage? Even if it didn't (say, the unit just wouldn't power on), it'd probably still be a headache for MS to deal with customer service calls of ppl claiming their XBox is busted.
And, yea, I know most people don't swap XBoxes around but you gotta aggregate the problem over a large population. For example, last Christmas my two brothers both brought their XBoxes home, and their was some swapping of power units with XBoxes since sometimes we'd plug in a different XBox to the TV to access different saved game data, etc. I wouldn't think to take extra precaution to ensure the right power bricks were hooked up to their respective XBoxes.
greatoak - Thursday, November 13, 2008 - link
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in the Falcon section it is related :
"175 Watt power supply, different connector"
so if, power supply cannot be mixed, they can change the shape of the connector to prevent wrong usage.
MatBac - Sunday, October 19, 2008 - link
Hi!I'm just about to buy a new Xbox 360 since my old "Core" got RRoD for the second time an officialy is dead.
I went to a few stores looking for the so called "Jasper" signs: an MFR as early as 2008-08-06, Lot 8031 and up (I guess they meen 0831) and Team CSON.
So far I have found two differens versions. One Premium 60GB called "Holiday Bundle" with MFR 2008-08-08 and Lot 0834 and one Arcade with MFR 2008-08-10 and
Lot 0839. The thing is that both these had Team ADUE and NOT Team CSON. Could this still be the famous "Jasper" model?
Ecks - Saturday, October 18, 2008 - link
Sticker on my 360 package:TEAM: ADUE
Lot no: 0836
Manufacture date says 08-08-2008
Powersypply says 175W
Could be a Jasper unit?
v12v12 - Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - link
Hrmm from my OC'ing comps exp, I immediately started modding my consoles for better cooling just as if they were PCs. Open the box up, replacing any and all HSFs and IC chip coolers with more beefy cut-offs from aluminum and copper sinks traditionally used in high-audio equipment or from an old CPU/PSU. Also, I would use my thermal paste (AS5/IC7) on them and or coat the POS thermal-pads with the TIM material as it fills in more gaps and thus aids in the cooling efficiency—since many of the heat-source-to-sink contact points are huge gaps of space b/c of the poor contact standards etc... it definitely made a world of diff. You could feel and see (with a thermometer) the temp changes. More heat escaping from the unit vs baking the ICs/CPU/misc components inside.Sounds a bit tedious and extreme, when you could either not bother, and just return it. It's a hobby so why not? GL.
aruvin - Thursday, October 9, 2008 - link
guys i live in singapore and i spotted an xbox with lot no. 0834 yesterday... the guy let me open the flap and the manufacture date was 24th august 2008... other than that there is no way to tell if its a jasper but id say theres a good chance it was...BW3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2008 - link
There is more that a few sources that do not think Blue Ray will be around for more than a few years. After winning the high Def war, sales has not taken off as predicted. Many people are satisfied with standard DVD's and up-conversion players.I would guess that most Blue Ray DVD's are just up-conversions anyway. It is not like they were originally recorded in high def. Maybe new movies are now recorded in high def, not likely movies made more that 1 or 2 years ago.
nubie - Wednesday, October 8, 2008 - link
You seriously cannot be this un-educated, can you?Movies are filmed on (gasp), film.
Do a little research, but 35mm can generally capture 4 times the amount of usable resolution than 1080p can display.
IF you are talking about films made on the (older) Digital equipment (and a handful were, I grant you), then yes 1080p is what it was filmed at, and that is how you should show it.
If you are confusing TV shows with Movies, then yes, TV dramas/comedies did recently switch to HD, but HD has been broadcast since 2001 in this country, and soon after the shows began "filming" on HD Digital cameras.
I don't agree that HD video is useless, but I think that these closed standards are crap. Let us watch the damn content without these stupid restrictions. Sell the HD content without the crap DRM, where does it end? Will we all be forced to have a DRM chip implanted in our heads that won't allow us to see if DRM content is being played? Laugh, but don't laugh too hard.
BW3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2008 - link
Yes, 35mm film has enough resolution for 1080 lines, but it is no guarantee that if you buy a Blue Ray movie that the DVD maker used the 35mm source. I have seen in several places that a Blue Ray movie was made using an up converted standard DVD to save on production costs. Digitizing the original movie is expensive. Up converting the standard resolution DVD is much quicker to market and less expensive. There is no guarantee that a Blue Ray movie was made from the original 35mm film.I realize I am so un-educated, but YOU look it up. There are many complaints about the quality of high def movies. The quality of some movies are NO BETTER than a standard DVD that up converts. Sorry, but true!
CZroe - Thursday, October 23, 2008 - link
Are you serious? It's the whole POINT of Blu-Ray. Sure, they could catalog entire series' of standard-def TV shows on a couple of dual-layer discs in one normal-sized BD case, but they haven't begun doing that and may never do so (consumers think extra discs = extra value, hence, some DVD box sets use single layer discs to increase the disc count)."I would guess that most Blue Ray DVD's are just up-conversions anyway." BAD guess.
Even the original Star Trek series on was filmed (not taped) and looks great on HD-DVD and will look great on BD when they get around to releasing their back-catalog of HD-DVD exclusives.
I've heard of ONE standard-def upscaled 1080p movie and that is only because it was a huge mistake and it was BIG news. A replacement program was issued and real 1080p resolution prints were made and given to all the people who bought the original defective discs. IIRC, it was The 5th Element with The 5th Element Remastered.
Here's a novel concept: YOU do the research before trying to make points with information you don't have. Also, it's "Blu-Ray" ("Blue-Ray" wouldn't be trademark-able). Hard to take you seriously when it's clear you know so little. :D FWIW, "Star Wars EP2 - Attack of the Clones" was filmed entirely digitally many years ago and many more movies are filmed entirely digitally today at much higher resolutions than BD. CGI movies got digital-to-digital transfers at the full resolution of the medium as far back as Disney/Pixar's "A Bug's Life" in 1998. And the basic misconception that HD is only for newer movies is laughable... 4k is the standard archival resolution for 35mm, a format that has been in use since before your parents or grandparents were born. Watch Top Gun or Blade Runner on BD and just think about how much better it would have been had time not degraded the film.
webdev511 - Thursday, October 9, 2008 - link
I think you're confusing transfers and encodes. Transfers ALWAYS originate with a 35mm or 70mm print. Pretty much every studio has been doing transfers to MPEG-2 @2160p which is the equivalent resolution of 35mm film.Bottom line: Transfers are expensive.
Once they have a transfer, then they encode a film for the destination media. MPEG-2 @480p for DVD, MPEG-2@720p or 1080i for HDTV/D-Theater or AVC/VC-1@1080p for Blu-Ray(and HD DVD). Some of the early Blu-Ray and HD DVD releases were just ports of the HDTV/D-Theater encodes. They weren't so great.
So your claim that there are Blu-Ray (and HD DVD) titles on the shelf today that are simply DVD encodes is just flat out FALSE.
That said, there are plenty of examples of poor transfers and encodes, but 99 times out of 100, even those look far better than any unconverted DVD. Upconversion can make the picture from a DVD look better, but it can't create detail that isn't in the MPEG-2 source, nor can it make that 640kbps audio stream sound as good as a 1.5mbps DolbyDigital Plus/DTS-HD or 5mbps TrueHD/DST-HD Master Audio soundtrack.
autoboy - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
I've still got my original Xbox360 from launch week. It doesn't get a ton of play like my Xbox did, but it gets used regularly for games and movies. It is stock and sits in a cabinet with an open back. Not all boxes RRoD.FXi - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
Been tempted, but seriously at minimum the Xbox needs to do Bluray. But realistically that won't be enough. A next gen box with BR will probably finally convince me to cave in and buy one of these things.Till then I can wait :)
FXi - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
Been tempted, but seriously at minimum the Xbox needs to do Bluray. But realistically that won't be enough. A next gen box with BR will probably finally convince me to cave in and buy one of these things.Till then I can wait :)
kaps - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
I had a unique problem with Media Extender on an Xbox that I got last November and fortunately I got an extender warrantee from BB on it. It turns out that the only way to swap out the box in late August. I got home and replaced the HD and plugged it in (same sized power supply) and it runs so quiet, I can hardly hear it. Jasper???KAPS
Myrandex - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
But I'm still excited for it just to see progress.I have an original Xbox 360 Premium Over 1.5 years old and I haven't had any problem yet (unless you count that loud DVD drive as a problem). It didn't get near as much play on it as the Wii did, but recently with Rock Band and Rock Band 2, it is getting plenty of runtime.
Jason
bety - Monday, October 6, 2008 - link
Microsoft MIGHT have a version of a product coming that works? How long has blow-up-box been out? Same old story....ajira99 - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
Same old feeble-minded fanboy comment, as well. At this point, considering the games library that the 360 has, you're better off worrying about being hit my a bus (or getting pink-slipped). Pretty silly to sit around "hoping" that a new console revision will be released at a future date that "might/should/would/could be" more reliable. Everybody complains about how unreliable the 360 was/is, yet people hit by RRoD will buy a 2nd or 3rd Xbox 360 console just to keep playing the games.chrnochime - Wednesday, October 8, 2008 - link
The number of games on the 360 has no bearing on getting a RROD 360 whatsoever. What a silly rebuttal. Your comment about "Yet people hit..." is a classic blanket statement that shouldn't even been made. Unless the person got too much money to burn and/or live with their your parents(yes that stupid stereotype again) no one in their right mind would keep throwing money away to replace 360s. Who's the fanboy here anyway?bety - Thursday, October 9, 2008 - link
Indeed. What an irrational mind! Willingness to keep buying a faulty product somehow vindicates the faulty product?? LOL. This is flawed on many levels. But the premise itself....is reliant on people having a faulty product!As for his hilarious acusation that I'M the fanboy. Um...my last console was an Atari 5200....
But I fully admit to being an..um..un-fanboy of Microsoft. I've used their 2nd rate products for 2 decades now! I strongly dislike them. Of course that still isn't "fanboyism" as I am not advocating for one of their competitors, I WOULD if there were a direct competitor! LOL.
chrnochime - Wednesday, October 8, 2008 - link
their parents, typo.Goty - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
Most people hit with a RRoD don't buy new consoles, I bet.BuckeyeBonzo - Monday, October 6, 2008 - link
I bought a Falcon based Elite last Christmas. It has been used for many hours. I have not had any problems at all. Not a single error or scratched disk. I was aware of the heat issues before I bought. That is why I looked and found a Falcon based unit. Still, I placed my Xbox where it is well ventilated. What should be avoided are those small pockets in entertainment cabinets meant for DVD players/VCR's etc. Also, they should not be placed on carpet where they can sink and have ventilation holes blocked. I also have mine horizontal, although I do not think this has much effect on scratches.Chris Simmo - Monday, October 6, 2008 - link
I have an Elite console, I got way back in febuary. This was a replacment for a RROD, but thats not my point. I got my brother and Elite in August (his birthday and christmas presents for the next 4 years) and it came from the exact same batch as mine, so I doubt we will be seeing them in the elite models first.Could just be they piled them up ontop, but with the promotions that microsoft has been running on their website for the elites, I would be guessing they haven't been selling that well.
Jasper will probably be out first on the main stream consoles, like the pro and arcade models.
Lotus000 - Monday, October 6, 2008 - link
I disagree with the author. The BEST way to get a new 360 is to take advantage of Dell's current deal and get an Elite for the princely sum of US$320. Or, you could wait until MS decides to grace us with 65nm chipsets. I'm not holding my breath, and neither should Mssrs. Shimpi and Andrawes.pwnsweet - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
I can not understand this mentality in the slightest. I'm sorry I just can't. How can you disagree? You'd have to be a complete dumbass to still go out and buy a Falcon knowing full well after reading this article that Jasper is going to be available any day now.Heck, you'd be a complete dumbass to buy a Falcon now even if Jasper was still 2 months off.
deeznuts - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
You must be dumb then ;)$300 for an older elite, or $400 for a jasper. Dells' deal probably does not include the new consoles.
And if your shit breaks in less than 3 years, you probably get a jasper in eventually.
I have a ps3 and a wii, and play the ps3 more (actually have used my 360 in about two months). If it's gone oh well I'll wait.
strikeback03 - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
Depends how ticked your fiance really is and how well you can bribe her with other things.Could always pick up a Falcon now, then dump it on Ebay for christmas season. Plenty of people there won't know the difference.
niva - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
I want a fiancee like that... my wife will be ticked off if I bought an XBOX regardless of what model it was...Baked - Monday, October 6, 2008 - link
Retailers don't care as long as people buy the 360. If it breaks, it's MS's problem to deal with it.Employees don't care as long as they get paid their minimum wage. Who gives a damn if you get a 360 that's gonna RRoD tomorrow.
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BradCube - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - link
A lot of employees care, (at least all the ones at the store I work in seem to). There's not too much we can do though. Sell or don't sell, customers still come to us and complain...I didn't actually realize how close Jasper was. I'll have to keep a close eye on the stock we are getting in. :)
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