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  • Communism - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    Any idea if this display has the option of using DSC (Display Stream Compression) instead of 4:2:2 Chroma Subsampling for 4K UHD (3840×2160) at 120 Hz with 10-bit color and HDR?

    Also, Displayport (and especially HDMI) standards are extremely far behind at this point. The coming of 4k @10+ bit, HDR, and 144+ hz was obvious 5+ years ago.
  • boeush - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    At these bandwidths and prices, is it finally time to move to an optical cable/connector standard?
  • Umer - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    As much as I'd love for that to happen, I don't think that's happening anytime soon when only handful of monitors are going to be utilizing these specs. Majority of monitors are only used as, 'monitors', and not gaming panels like these so until high-res monitors such as 8K and more come down in mainstream market, it most probably won't become a standard.
  • Small Bison - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    HDMI 2.1 should be able to do 4k, 144 Hz, and 4:4:4 10 bit color without compression. It's a bit ahead of even the next DisplayPort spec, with 48 Gbps instead of 40.
  • Ryan Smith - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    As far as I know (and to be clear this is based off of the NV prototype), only 4:2:2 is available. DSC is not used/not an option.

    The other option is to drop the refresh rate down to (IIRC) 96Hz. But again, this is all preliminary.
  • PVG - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    If it's AHVA, it's not IPS.
  • PVG - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    Or maybe it is.
    AUO had me completely tricked there. When pulling "new" types of panel out of their butts, at least give them names not easily associated with completely different technologies..
  • aliquis - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    Rekt.
    I've assumed Quantum dots may affect the outcome performance anyway also. So I wouldn't necessarily apply non-QD-knowledge upon displayers using QD.
  • edzieba - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    QD is just an enhanced backlight technology that makes wider gamuts cheaper. Think analogous to the move from CCFL backlights to LED backlights. The actual LCD technology is identical.
  • astroboy888 - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    AHVA is just AUO's name for IPS. Like Samsung names their panel PLS, but it is just an IPS panel. LG names their IPS panel IPS.

    Only difference is AUO's AVHA/IPS technology lends itself to high refresh rate. This is why almost all high refresh rate panels comes from AUO.
  • TheWereCat - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    As far as I know the AHVA from AUO is the same as their AH-IPS.
    I have AOC.AG271QG which also uses AH-IPS and I immediately noticed that it looks more like VA with some IPS features rather than my other IPS monitor (EIZO Foris FS2333).
  • 13Gigatons - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    Takes a long time to update standards but HDMI 2.1 was completed in January.
  • Stochastic - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    I feel like we're 1-2 years out from my dream monitor.
  • rmm584 - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    4:2:2 Chroma, ugh...
  • aenews - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    DP 1.4 has the bandwith to support 4K 120Hz 4:4:4 even without DSC. With DSC, it can support up to 8K 60Hz 4:4:4 or 4K 240Hz 4:4:4. The reason it is exceeding the bandwidth constraints must be because of 10-Bit and HDR. Lowering refresh rate and switching to 8-Bit should allow for 4:4:4 Chroma. If DSC were included and working, then tossing everything in together would still work without compromise. That would be nice.
  • kuruk - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    As someone who's never seen 10 bit display, is it worth to sacrifce chroma res for 10 bit?
  • HollyDOL - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    Given there are so few 10bpc applications so far, in majority cases, no. In those few cases where you have actual 10bpc source, do you have graphic card able to push out > 96FPS in UHD? If not, take 4:4:4 @ 96Hz. And with that I suspect we covered 99,5% use cases ;-) For the remaining 0,5% I'd sacrifice bpc for chroma.
  • lazarpandar - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    Wait really? That's not acceptable. I'd trade 144hz for 4:4:4 in a heartbeat.
  • Kamus - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    for desktop, sure. for games? not in a million years.
  • at80eighty - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    not too often i can say a monitor looks aggressive.
  • Frenetic Pony - Thursday, April 27, 2017 - link

    Yeeee- "G-sync" I WILL CHOKE THE LIFE OUT OF YOU YOU STUPID SHORTSIGHTED MOTHERFU- stop buying into Nvidia's pay to play monopolistic bullshit. Stop, just, STOP.
  • vladx - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    I have no problem buying G-Sync, it's not like FreeSync works with Nvidia who have the best GPUs. So I'll probably only be buying G-Sync monitors for the next 10 years at least.
  • BurntMyBacon - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    If (and only if) the industry pushes full bore into Display Port Adaptive Sync (DP A-Sync or FreeSync if you want to use AMD's branding), you can be sure nVidia will make sure their cards support it. They already have the necessary hardware capability. Also, how often do you switch monitors? I have monitors that I still use from more than 10 years ago.

    1) With Intel committing to DP A-Sync and no ability of any manufacturer not nVidia to use G-Sync, there is no realistic scenario where DP A-Sync goes away.

    2) DP A-Sync and G-Sync could both continue in perpetuum. Though, monitor manufacturers probably wouldn't prefer this long term as you can't use the same scaler to support both standards. They'd rather spend the resources on one design than incur the cost of designing two monitors to address the "Sync" market. The required scaler for G-Sync is also limited where scalers from other manufactures provide more input flexibility. Manufacturers like ability to choose between different scalers with different options for different price points. Furthermore, nVidia is the only manufacturer of the required scaler for G-Sync Monitors. Most manufacturers don't like to be on the receiving end of sole source situations as there is nowhere to go if the prices are untenable and there is no workaround when there are supply issues. There are also a whole lot of well established scaler manufacturers that don't appreciate being pushed out of an area of the market due to nVidia's dominance in GPUs. I doubt it'll ever get there, but if things go particularly bad (Everyone buys nVidia and wants G-Sync) you could see some lawsuits here.

    3) DP A-Sync could win. nVidia will fight this long and hard, but if ATi gets competitive in the high end again (consistent execution) and Intel makes good on DP A-Sync support it may eventually be possible. At such a point, nVidia will simply enable DP A-Sync on their desktop cards under their own branding (G-Sync 2, Open G-Sync, etc.) while maintaining legacy GPU support. They would lose very little in the way of GPU sales at this point. Their GPU customers would lose very little at this point either. The only potential losers in this scenario are G-Sync monitor customers who are still locked in to nothing but nVidia cards as long as they want to use the monitor with "Sync".
  • r3loaded - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    Almost perfect, just needs FreeSync 2 instead of proprietary sync.
  • edzieba - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    Ooh, very close to perfect. If a 32" version meeting the same specifications is released I'd jump right on it. I couldn't go back down to 27" after using a 34" ultrawide.
  • Major_Kusanagi - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    Agreed. I've got a 43" 4K Wasabi Mango (UHD430) and I don't think that I'd be able to go smaller than 32" for a 4K monitor.
  • Vatharian - Friday, April 28, 2017 - link

    Here it is. It came. The holy grail of gaming. The one and only, perfect monitor. If only I could wait... I bought PG348Q couple months ago... but this may be enough to get me to sell it.
  • usernametaken76 - Saturday, April 29, 2017 - link

    Price will likely be $1399.
  • usernametaken76 - Saturday, April 29, 2017 - link

    Or $1999.

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