I wonder if this has anything to do with nVidia needing to use DP 1.4 for 2160p@144Hz, which includes Freesync in its spec (1.3 and onwards, actually). But that still wouldn't explain why there are no freesync displays in the pipeline that can do 2160p@144Hz.
DP 1.4 and HDMi 2.1 will reign equally supreme. 8K @ 120hz is not realistic to expect unless you are playing on a 36"+ screen and playing Baldur's Gate era games. If you want to play 4K @ 120 fps (which is perfect for performance and incredible quality) then it doesn't matter what if you use DP 1.4 or HDMi 2.1. They perform the same.
"Meanwhile to no surprise (but always good for clarification), DisplayPort Active-Sync REMAINS AN OPTIONAL PART of the specification, so Adaptive-Sync availability will continue to be on a monitor-by-monitor basis as a premium feature."
These displays, nor any DisplayPort 1.3 or 1.4 displays are required by VESA to have adaptive sync (otherwise known as AMD FreeSync) support.
Not the only announced G-Sync HDR monitors; the Asus PG35VQ and Acer Z35 (21:9, 1440p200) were both announced at Computex this year. Targeted at Q4 release.
Yeah, I'd be interested in knowing where these stand since I am leaning towards getting one of those. I have been using a 1440p144 for a few years and I tried one of the 21:9 1440p100 displays but found the refresh rate to be too low for my taste. However, I'd rather have 21:9 200hz than 4k144 since the 21:9 experience was amazing in the games that support it. Also, the 4k displays are still 27in, which seems a tad small
@jstein -- I was going to wait for one of the new HDR 200hz 21:9 monitors, but there is some speculation is that they are going to be around $2,000. Even at $1500+ (which I think will be the bare minimum price), it's a pretty hard pill to swallow. While the 21:9 100hz displays out now aren't as good as 144hz monitors, I personally decided to grab a used PG348Q 21:9 100hz G-sync for $800, which is still a decent chunk of change for a used product. I figured while 100hz isn't ideal, it's still got G-sync, and it's definitely way better than no G-sync and 60hz.
IF these have slipped too, it suggests that the faster GSync controller both need to run may be the problem not that both sets of new panels ran into production problems.
Could just be a worst case scenario in case they cannot deliver on time but if the 'issue' gets resolved they may appear earlier. Probably someone covering their backside.
Probably never. It takes forever to fix very high cost of large panels and burn ins. It will very likely be replaced with newer & cheaper tech. I'd opt for monitor with Samsung Qdot HDR panel if you want something better and available right now.
Probably 2019 at best? IIRC LG's new OLED high volume plant goes online for 2018 (or is it in 2018 and therefore 2019 displays?). I'm sure this is predominately for TV displays, but my hope is once they can get their volume up they'll have some incentive to produce smaller displays for monitors.
MicroLED seems more promising: no burn-in, longer lifespan than OLED or LCD, and (potentially) competitive on other metrics like cost and manufacturing yields. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED
FALD should help significantly, but I'm still skeptical. Even if the HDR is garbage I'd be tempted to get one for the IPS speed if the FALD mostly eliminated IPS glow.
Has there been any talk about similar panels in other sizes?
I was about to pull the trigger on a 32" 4k 60hz GSync monitor (the taller size plays nicer with my existing 1200x1600 and 2560x1600 displays) when these were first announced. I decided to hold off assuming a larger version would be right behind in production; but haven't seen anything yet and am starting to wonder if I should just go with last years tech as an interim upgrade.
Going to be a long wait, 16:10 is in the same terminal decline that 4:3 was a decade ago; with models built around older panels still around but very little in the way of new products coming out.
What is status on the ASUS ROG Swift PG35VQ? I have the Predator Z35P that uses the custom AU Optronics ar 120Hz. It stated that 200Hz is coming for the PG35VQ with HDR, and quantum dot. This IS this best monitor..but not a peep has been heard about it since June first..despite being "3rd quarter this year".
Someone needs to tell these manufacturers that people that can afford these monitors, meaning not kids in grade school, don't like their crappy "gamer" designs.
It's so true. I suspect that some of it is done as marketing in order to encourage additional sales for their lines further down the pricing spectrum but... come on, at least _offer_ a "professional" monitor that puts the same guts in a different case...
They are delayed so they can include HDMI 2.1, which is going to be a crucial part of the HDR10 world. HDMI 2.0-2.0b supports Static HDR (HDR static metadata), but HDMI 2.1 will support Dynamic HDR (HDR dynamic metadata). Now we are getting a little crazy, because HDMI 2.1 goes beyond bandwidth restrictions. 4K@ ABOVE 60Hz requires displayport for sufficient bandwidth, but displayport will still not support Variable Refresh Rate regardless of bandwidth. HDMI 2.1 will have VRR baked in, which could standardize all this technology and make all this limiting nonsense about having to choose between NVIDIA G-Sync HDR and AMD FreeSync 2 HDR irrelevant. We can just have a single unifying protocol made possible by a new version of HDMI, which all the HDR capable monitors and televisions will share in common--HDMI 2.1. WELCOME TO THE NEW AGE BABAYYYY, I bet we thought we would always be looking to DP for our monitors and HDMI for our TV's, but what if we could just rock HDMI for both with even more benefit?
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rynomuncher - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
I am unbelievably excited for these displays... just have to decide who to go with!dishayu - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
I wonder if this has anything to do with nVidia needing to use DP 1.4 for 2160p@144Hz, which includes Freesync in its spec (1.3 and onwards, actually). But that still wouldn't explain why there are no freesync displays in the pipeline that can do 2160p@144Hz.nathanddrews - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
HDMI 2.1 to rule them all...Scrotum_Monster - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link
DP 1.4 and HDMi 2.1 will reign equally supreme. 8K @ 120hz is not realistic to expect unless you are playing on a 36"+ screen and playing Baldur's Gate era games. If you want to play 4K @ 120 fps (which is perfect for performance and incredible quality) then it doesn't matter what if you use DP 1.4 or HDMi 2.1. They perform the same.JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
What are you talking about?http://www.anandtech.com/show/8533/vesa-releases-d...
"Meanwhile to no surprise (but always good for clarification), DisplayPort Active-Sync REMAINS AN OPTIONAL PART of the specification, so Adaptive-Sync availability will continue to be on a monitor-by-monitor basis as a premium feature."
These displays, nor any DisplayPort 1.3 or 1.4 displays are required by VESA to have adaptive sync (otherwise known as AMD FreeSync) support.
EnzoLT - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
I guess I'll postpone my upgrade to next year then!madwolfa - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Welp, gotta stick to my crappy 22" TN for a little while longer.Destoya - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Not the only announced G-Sync HDR monitors; the Asus PG35VQ and Acer Z35 (21:9, 1440p200) were both announced at Computex this year. Targeted at Q4 release.jstein - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Yeah, I'd be interested in knowing where these stand since I am leaning towards getting one of those. I have been using a 1440p144 for a few years and I tried one of the 21:9 1440p100 displays but found the refresh rate to be too low for my taste. However, I'd rather have 21:9 200hz than 4k144 since the 21:9 experience was amazing in the games that support it. Also, the 4k displays are still 27in, which seems a tad smallbleomycin - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Also far more interested in what is going on with the PG35VQ & Acer Z35. Are they affected by this as well?imaheadcase - Friday, August 11, 2017 - link
I know, i asked them on twitter if it was still coming this year and repeating the end of year statement. So hopefully.FlyBri - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
@jstein -- I was going to wait for one of the new HDR 200hz 21:9 monitors, but there is some speculation is that they are going to be around $2,000. Even at $1500+ (which I think will be the bare minimum price), it's a pretty hard pill to swallow. While the 21:9 100hz displays out now aren't as good as 144hz monitors, I personally decided to grab a used PG348Q 21:9 100hz G-sync for $800, which is still a decent chunk of change for a used product. I figured while 100hz isn't ideal, it's still got G-sync, and it's definitely way better than no G-sync and 60hz.DanNeely - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
IF these have slipped too, it suggests that the faster GSync controller both need to run may be the problem not that both sets of new panels ran into production problems.jabber - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Could just be a worst case scenario in case they cannot deliver on time but if the 'issue' gets resolved they may appear earlier. Probably someone covering their backside.cekim - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
"Nooooo!" -Anakin SkywalkerStochastic - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Are these going to be properly calibrated? I find it frustrating how many $800+ monitors aren't even calibrated all that well at the factory.Stochastic - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Also, how many years before OLEDs make it to PC monitors?chaos215bar2 - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Well, there was this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11272/dells-ultrasha...Looks like it's no longer on sale, though.
milkod2001 - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Probably never. It takes forever to fix very high cost of large panels and burn ins. It will very likely be replaced with newer & cheaper tech. I'd opt for monitor with Samsung Qdot HDR panel if you want something better and available right now.GoodRevrnd - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Probably 2019 at best? IIRC LG's new OLED high volume plant goes online for 2018 (or is it in 2018 and therefore 2019 displays?). I'm sure this is predominately for TV displays, but my hope is once they can get their volume up they'll have some incentive to produce smaller displays for monitors.tk.icepick - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
MicroLED seems more promising: no burn-in, longer lifespan than OLED or LCD, and (potentially) competitive on other metrics like cost and manufacturing yields.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED
Lolimaster - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
It's totally pointless to include HDR on a monitor with a craptastic AHVA/IPS low contrast panel. That should stick to AMVA/VA-OLED.GoodRevrnd - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
FALD should help significantly, but I'm still skeptical. Even if the HDR is garbage I'd be tempted to get one for the IPS speed if the FALD mostly eliminated IPS glow.DanNeely - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Has there been any talk about similar panels in other sizes?I was about to pull the trigger on a 32" 4k 60hz GSync monitor (the taller size plays nicer with my existing 1200x1600 and 2560x1600 displays) when these were first announced. I decided to hold off assuming a larger version would be right behind in production; but haven't seen anything yet and am starting to wonder if I should just go with last years tech as an interim upgrade.
DanNeely - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
Semi-answering my own question, AU Optronics lists a 32" 4k HDR 384 panel, but doesn't indicate if it's also high refresh rate.DanNeely - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
... lists on TFT Central.http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_parts_c...
mooninite - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Has AU Optronics fixed their panels to not have light bleed or horrific backlight uniformity that their current 1440p models currently have?madwolfa - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
That remains to be seen.TheJian - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
I'll be interested when I see gsync in a 16:10 gaming monitor. Until then...pfftt. I have no use for WIDE crap in monitors.DanNeely - Friday, August 11, 2017 - link
Going to be a long wait, 16:10 is in the same terminal decline that 4:3 was a decade ago; with models built around older panels still around but very little in the way of new products coming out.bigboxes - Sunday, August 13, 2017 - link
Wish in one hand...imaheadcase - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
What is status on the ASUS ROG Swift PG35VQ? I have the Predator Z35P that uses the custom AU Optronics ar 120Hz. It stated that 200Hz is coming for the PG35VQ with HDR, and quantum dot. This IS this best monitor..but not a peep has been heard about it since June first..despite being "3rd quarter this year".I love the Z35P i have..
imaheadcase - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
That is a 4k monitor fyi as well.damianrobertjones - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
"Sales of current monitors are strong so until sales start to fall... Delayed!"geok1ng - Thursday, August 10, 2017 - link
Freesync 2 HDR is on sale since July with Samsung HG70 line.Dug - Friday, August 18, 2017 - link
Someone needs to tell these manufacturers that people that can afford these monitors, meaning not kids in grade school, don't like their crappy "gamer" designs.clhodapp - Saturday, December 30, 2017 - link
It's so true. I suspect that some of it is done as marketing in order to encourage additional sales for their lines further down the pricing spectrum but... come on, at least _offer_ a "professional" monitor that puts the same guts in a different case...melgha - Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - link
They are delayed so they can include HDMI 2.1, which is going to be a crucial part of the HDR10 world. HDMI 2.0-2.0b supports Static HDR (HDR static metadata), but HDMI 2.1 will support Dynamic HDR (HDR dynamic metadata). Now we are getting a little crazy, because HDMI 2.1 goes beyond bandwidth restrictions. 4K@ ABOVE 60Hz requires displayport for sufficient bandwidth, but displayport will still not support Variable Refresh Rate regardless of bandwidth. HDMI 2.1 will have VRR baked in, which could standardize all this technology and make all this limiting nonsense about having to choose between NVIDIA G-Sync HDR and AMD FreeSync 2 HDR irrelevant. We can just have a single unifying protocol made possible by a new version of HDMI, which all the HDR capable monitors and televisions will share in common--HDMI 2.1. WELCOME TO THE NEW AGE BABAYYYY, I bet we thought we would always be looking to DP for our monitors and HDMI for our TV's, but what if we could just rock HDMI for both with even more benefit?