TUF motherboards should NOT have any electrolytic caps. The whole reason I bought my TUF motherboard was for the all solid-state caps. Asus please stop with this crap. I don't care about "Nichicon gold" audio capacitors. If I did I would buy one of your other boards like ROG. It doesn't make a big enough difference to justify the shorter lifespan, and anyone who cares about audio will have an external amp/DAC anyways.
It looks like a very nice board, but I still don't understand the need for "durable". You're going to put it in a case, right? One that has mounting screws to keep the board straight and one that keeps rocks from randomly flying up to hit the PCI-E mount surround. So why do you need all the extra plastic? It creates heat challenges (that require a fan) for no real benefit.
The original TUF Sabertooth back with the X58 chipset had a 5 year warranty and their marketing targeted "Military grade" lingo. I built a system for someone because of the long warranty. Today I'm not sure, it's likely that either they've been skimping on the quality and had to reduce their warranty to 3 years to keep from losing too much money or they had to reduce the warranty to 3 years anyway because their previous TUF boards were costing them too much to support.
Anyway good job reviewing a board AT, I wish you'd return to regular reviews like this.
Here in the real world, all that armor on a motherboard is there ONLY for aesthetic reasons. Unless you are mounting it to an open air source but no one is going to do that. It clutters the board and probably adds in a 1/4 of the cost of the entire motherboard. I'd say just include a disk with 3d printable shielding for looks IF I wanted to have it, and then just not put anything on the board. Starting too look like cars with plastic engine covers; those are useless too.
The cooler isn't really the issue. We can put this under a custom loop, but the temperature improvement would only yield perhaps another 100 MHz or so. Delidding and going bigger would be a better way to do this.
Are there ever gonna be a motherboard with clean lines and less appeal to 13-year old kids? 99.99% of the manufacturers all do black/red/gray colour, jagged edges and a missmash of edgy design feeatures. Guess i'll have to invest in a lazercutter to get clean lines and smooth design before i grow old and die. CLosest thing i've ever seen was ASUS Z97 SaberTooth Mark S, but then they went back to the teen tech.
You can get some really nice cases, but if you try to match the hardware in one color other than black/red or black grey, then your in for a modding session. Currently making a white/purple build, but for some bizarre reason asus thinks all their "white boards" just needs a few blue details, and for the higher end cards.. then black/red or black/grey seems to be almost the only option, and has been for almost 10 years
It's just Asus with their dumb marketing gimmicks again. IMO their boards are the best but they're the worst values for the money. I'd go with ASRock instead.
Look to Supermicro server and workstation boards. I invested 3y ago into an X10SRi-F with E5-1650v3 or v4 .. works like a charm. And even today it scales very nicely - it has many PCIe 3.0 sockets with reasonable amount of PCIe lanes and some PCIe2.0 - if you compare the ratio of passmark performance divided by price, then you will see, that it the ratio is about the same compared to threadripper and Intel CPUs .. Which means you do not pay €1000 for threadripper which is quite expensive, you pay around €600 but get the same performance / price ratio - you have with socket 2011-3 quad memory speed and ECC if you compare with Intel ... - IPMI ... Completely true enterprise segment products to a reasonable price. So even 3y later absolutely compareable and expandable by PCI sockets with USB 3.1, further USB 3.0 or 10 Gigabit adapters if you require, PCIe based NVME ... all is possible.
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DanNeely - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
Why are you only reporting on non-UEFI post times?takeshi7 - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
TUF motherboards should NOT have any electrolytic caps. The whole reason I bought my TUF motherboard was for the all solid-state caps. Asus please stop with this crap. I don't care about "Nichicon gold" audio capacitors. If I did I would buy one of your other boards like ROG. It doesn't make a big enough difference to justify the shorter lifespan, and anyone who cares about audio will have an external amp/DAC anyways.tphb - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
It looks like a very nice board, but I still don't understand the need for "durable". You're going to put it in a case, right? One that has mounting screws to keep the board straight and one that keeps rocks from randomly flying up to hit the PCI-E mount surround. So why do you need all the extra plastic? It creates heat challenges (that require a fan) for no real benefit.BreakArms - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
The original TUF Sabertooth back with the X58 chipset had a 5 year warranty and their marketing targeted "Military grade" lingo. I built a system for someone because of the long warranty. Today I'm not sure, it's likely that either they've been skimping on the quality and had to reduce their warranty to 3 years to keep from losing too much money or they had to reduce the warranty to 3 years anyway because their previous TUF boards were costing them too much to support.Anyway good job reviewing a board AT, I wish you'd return to regular reviews like this.
Ev3rM0r3 - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
Here in the real world, all that armor on a motherboard is there ONLY for aesthetic reasons. Unless you are mounting it to an open air source but no one is going to do that. It clutters the board and probably adds in a 1/4 of the cost of the entire motherboard. I'd say just include a disk with 3d printable shielding for looks IF I wanted to have it, and then just not put anything on the board. Starting too look like cars with plastic engine covers; those are useless too.Hurr Durr - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
Can these faux-shield things be removed? I doubt having them provides any practical benefit.DanNeely - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link
The easiest way is probably an equivalently specced board without them. They're the TUF line's main marketing gimmic.Joe Shields - Friday, December 8, 2017 - link
Yes. But if you do not want them, you can get the less expensive variant without it or a different board.JackNSally - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link
Honest question. Can you get a higher performance cooler to really push the CPU and therefore the boards VRM's for overclocking features?Joe Shields - Friday, December 8, 2017 - link
The cooler isn't really the issue. We can put this under a custom loop, but the temperature improvement would only yield perhaps another 100 MHz or so. Delidding and going bigger would be a better way to do this.Sn3akr - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link
Are there ever gonna be a motherboard with clean lines and less appeal to 13-year old kids? 99.99% of the manufacturers all do black/red/gray colour, jagged edges and a missmash of edgy design feeatures. Guess i'll have to invest in a lazercutter to get clean lines and smooth design before i grow old and die. CLosest thing i've ever seen was ASUS Z97 SaberTooth Mark S, but then they went back to the teen tech.You can get some really nice cases, but if you try to match the hardware in one color other than black/red or black grey, then your in for a modding session. Currently making a white/purple build, but for some bizarre reason asus thinks all their "white boards" just needs a few blue details, and for the higher end cards.. then black/red or black/grey seems to be almost the only option, and has been for almost 10 years
sonny73n - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link
It's just Asus with their dumb marketing gimmicks again. IMO their boards are the best but they're the worst values for the money. I'd go with ASRock instead.xray9 - Sunday, December 10, 2017 - link
Look to Supermicro server and workstation boards.I invested 3y ago into an X10SRi-F with E5-1650v3 or v4 .. works like a charm.
And even today it scales very nicely
- it has many PCIe 3.0 sockets with reasonable amount of PCIe lanes and some PCIe2.0
- if you compare the ratio of passmark performance divided by price, then you will see, that it the ratio is about the same compared to threadripper and Intel CPUs .. Which means you do not pay €1000 for threadripper which is quite expensive, you pay around €600 but get the same performance / price ratio
- you have with socket 2011-3 quad memory speed and ECC if you compare with Intel ...
- IPMI ...
Completely true enterprise segment products to a reasonable price.
So even 3y later absolutely compareable and expandable by PCI sockets with USB 3.1, further USB 3.0 or 10 Gigabit adapters if you require, PCIe based NVME ... all is possible.
super gaming - Thursday, December 14, 2017 - link
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