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  • The Hardcard - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    The 2018 Intel “Baby, Please Don’t Leave Me!” Datacenter Conference
  • IntenvidiAMD - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    With special keynote: Why AMD's 3GHz 32Core for $2000 is worse than our 2.5GHz 28Core for $10000
  • diehardmacfan - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    come on man at least get the frequencies right
  • IntenvidiAMD - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    When you claim someone is wrong as least do the bare minimum of Googling the damn question!

    AMD ThreadRipper 2990WX 32Core @3GHz Base Clock, $1799

    Intel Xeon 8180 28Core @2.5GHz Base Clock, $9999

    https://videocardz.com/77031/amd-ryzen-threadrippe...
  • tamalero - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Intel : "glue bad.. high prices good, because we say so"
  • HStewart - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    "With special keynote: Why AMD's 3GHz 32Core for $2000 is worse than our 2.5GHz 28Core for $10000"

    AMD is a single socket cpu with 2Ghz 3GHz turbo while Intel is dual socketed 2.5Ghz 3.8Ghz
    Intel also has fast single core speed over AMD

    Intel $9999
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N...

    AMD single socketed $2313
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N...

    AMD Dual Socketed $3757
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N...
  • IntenvidiAMD - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Wrong:

    When you claim someone is wrong as least do the bare minimum of Googling the damn question!

    AMD ThreadRipper 2990WX 32Core @3GHz Base Clock, $1799

    Intel Xeon 8180 28Core @2.5GHz Base Clock, $9999

    https://videocardz.com/77031/amd-ryzen-threadrippe...
  • jospoortvliet - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    You compare a server chip with a consumer chip... hsteward compares epic with Xeon which is the fair comparison. Still a win for amd on in some ways but not on single core as the intel doesnt always run at base... The story will become more interesting when epic 2 is out, provided it fulfils the promises made around performance.
  • FreckledTrout - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    @IntenvidiAMD, there is no reason to be so confrontational, this isn't wccftech, we are all adults here. Many of us actually work for companies in these articles or in data centers, which obviously you don't.

    No data center is going to run on ThreadRipper's, ever. You cannot compare server CPU's to non server CPU's as they simply do not go head to head in the market. If you want to compare AMD's EPYC 7601 to the Intel Xeon 8180 that would be a valid point.
  • HStewart - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Yes I was comparing server cpu's and I believe the AMD ThreadRipper 2990WX is not officially out - so any rumors about it are not proven.
  • tamalero - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Threadripper isnt for servers bro, its for prosumers and content creators.
  • HStewart - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    Why is on these forums - no matter what the subject is that users have negative comments

    Just an update on finances - it looks like Intel has slightly increase this week and AMD has slightly decrease in values

    Intel this week gain 2,16 or 4.6%

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=intc+stock&form=...

    AMD this week drop 1.57 or 7.8 %

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=AMD+Stock&filter...

    This tells me that Intel performance was not as bad as what people - and that AMD stock is overrated.
  • Ian Cutress - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    Scale back out to a month. AMD is up. Intel is down.
  • HStewart - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    I am talking about recent drop in Intel - yes Intel has drop seriously on Monday - but recover half of what it lost this week. AMD increase was last week before Intel drop on Monday but has lost part of increase this week.
  • HStewart - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    I am not the only person who believe Intel is on a rebound - from the lost Monday

    https://www.investopedia.com/news/intel-seen-rebou...
  • FreckledTrout - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    I am not investing in them that is for sure its just to risky for my tastes seeing what AMD is trying to do with EPYC. I have a feeling 2019 is going to be a bad year for Intel and that they will rebound in 2020. Until AMD outs EPYC on 7nm in full mass production I suspect Intel will be doing just fine and will have growth of which most of that is in the data center.
  • Santoval - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link

    Epyc 2 at 7nm should not be delayed, given that TSMC is the fab that will make it. While Epyc requires much tighter testing, debugging and validation, AMD's Epyc team surely have had more spare time to develop and test Epyc 2, since no Zen+ based Epyc was released.
    Unless TSMC screws up or something (will that virus that hit them set back their production schedule?) Epyc should be released in either Q2 or Q3 2019. I'd expect it March at the earliest, June at the latest.
  • novastar78 - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    LOL, this is normal behaviour for the market.... AMD went up about 4-5 dollars over the course of 4 days after a great earnings. Intel went down by the same amount after their earnings.

    I love how people ignore the normal behaviour of stocks to illustrate points. After sharp ups\downs over a short period of time, it in inevitable that it will swing the opposite direction as people take profit. This is how any stock works.
  • HStewart - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    I understand the normal behavior of stocks - when stocks loose money, there is likely up rise of stocks - but making assumption that Intel is because of AMD is not correct - that is a lot more to Intel then CPU war with AMD - especially with desktop chips which are minimal impact - what is real concern here is that conference in this article has nothing to do with CPU's and someone has to make a bias statement like "The 2018 Intel “Baby, Please Don’t Leave Me!” Datacenter Conference" which is not related to that war.
  • IntenvidiAMD - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Not biased at all considering they have nothing up their sleeves, 10nm is more than a year away, all Intel can do to compete with the more-cores-5x-lower-price AMD train is release more 14nm++++++++++++++ crap
  • Cooe - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Rofl, and with the ever increasing heat in the frying pan, OF COURSE the Intel Defense Force™ is making the rounds. It's time to wake up and smell the roses, and by roses I mean the MASSIVE 10nm dumpster fire.
  • iwod - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    >At Hot Chips, Intel has a talk titled 'Intel’s High Performance Graphics solutions in thin and light mobile form factors'

    That sounds Interesting.

    I hope analyst will ask more about their 10nm situation. As well as 7nm progress. And Icelake. They have been talking about FPGAs and hasn't shown anything useful yet.
  • IntelUser2000 - Friday, August 3, 2018 - link

    It sounds like a Kabylake-G presentation.
  • iwod - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    Yes. there used to be a time ( or for as long as I could remember ) Intel had the quality and mostly Integrity on the engineering side. Now they just keep lying.
  • HStewart - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    "It sounds like a Kabylake-G presentation."

    I actually own a Kabylake-G, a Dell XPS 15 2in1, I would say that CPU is awesome and most power notebook or any machine that I personally own.

    But I the graphics on it is questionable - I am an aging gamer and - built machines earlier - but I grown up and desire laptops - I also enjoy professional graphics and includes applications like Lightwave 3d, Vue, Photoshop and others. As for games older games have trouble on GPU and even Steam's VR test has trouble. Also so far Lightwave 3d 2018 is fine but Vue 16 2016 has trouble with graphics.

    I took a risk with graphics on the copy - and I wish Intel join with NVidia on graphics - but as a 2in1. the Dell XPS 15 2in1 in an awesome computer with it 4k screen and right now it connect to a LG 34U88 monitor.

    But if Intel engineering on the data center is anything like 9805g in my XPS 15 2in1 then Intel is going to have no problem in the future no matter what nm the completion runs.
  • Santoval - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link

    Are you suggesting that the GPU is weak or that it does not play along well with the Intel CPU, perhaps due to an immature first gen implementation, unoptimized drivers, lack of optimization from games and programs, or some combination of these?
    Which "older games" did you try, and at what resolution and settings? There can be a few old games which can bleed resources dry at 4K resolution and high/max settings. I have no idea what Vue is, but its version/year also suggests a lack of updates and optimization.
  • FreckledTrout - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link

    I want to hear what they have to compete with AMD's EPYC on TSMC's 7nm process. As far as I can tell they have a full year or more with nothing that will compete with EPYC once its lands.
  • watzupken - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link

    I think that is if 10nm is ready by 2019 despite what Intel claims. They have been delaying it year on year since 2016 I believe. To be honest, I feel Intel's 14nm is still competitive with even 7nm out there, just that they will have to work harder since the advantage is no longer there for them.
  • Santoval - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link

    They will pit Cascade Lake SP & AP against it. The SP series is basically a refresh of the Skylake SP series, it even uses the same platform and socket. It adds a + to the process and should support a bit higher clocks, but the layout will be exactly the same, with perhaps a neural network block with tensor cores added (that will likely have to wait for Cooper Lake).

    The AP series though, which is expected later, is brand new, not in the sense of employing new cores or a new arch (God no, it will still be Skylake based), but of moving to multi-die (MCM) packages via EMIB, along with a new platform and socket of course.
    Intel will have the option of using two to four LCC, HCC or XCC dies in the AP series, or two to four 10-core, 18-core or 28-core dies respectively, i.e. from 20 to a max of 112 (rounded to 110) cores.
    Cascade and Cooper Lake AP should top at 56 cores or, rather unlikely, a max of 72 cores (via two 28-core dies or four 18-core ones). Ice Lake AP, much later, might add even more cores because it will be able to afford it, space-wise, due to its 2.5+ times higher density.

    Therefore, only AP series Intel CPUs should be able to compete with Epyc 2, by providing more than 28 cores per socket. Suffice to say that these CPUs are going to cost an arm, a leg and a kidney. I predict that a 36-core (2x18-core dies) CPU from Intel will cost about as much as a 64-core one from AMD, assuming AMD releases such a CPU in 2019 or 2020.

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