Are they going to start supporting video streaming during peak times in the afternoon, or just going to continue working on smooth ad streaming while the content I want to actually watch stutters craptastically?
I know I have had the trouble you have had syphadeus but you might want to check your internet provider. I find that I have better streaming via my verizon wireless 3g at 1 mbit than I do with my att 6mbit home dsl. Kinda sucky...
Given the chance att would lose me in a heartbeat due to this, 150 gb caps, and poor speeds. Sadly there are no other mainstream ip providers in my area..
the display recieves a 1920x1080@60hz signal and makes 960x1080@120hz. im pretty sure thats how the ps3's frame packing works. any interleaved format are examples of frame packing for instance. its fed to the display as one progressive image and then split up by the display.
side by side, if your using dual projectors for instance, the gpu is still rendering to 1 framebuffer, but at 3840x1080 and the displays are set to span desktop.
so its the same principle. frame packing 2 images into one 1080p@60hz signal is required to overcome the alleged bandwidth limitations of hdmi.
Try disabling SLI; that was the cause of our problems. NVIDIA doesn't have SLI + 3D Vision windowed mode working correctly together quite yet, which is unfortunate since SLI and 3D Vision are otherwise a good pair-up.
I should correct myself - SLI does work in windowed mode in games and has for the past couple years, at least. It certainly doesn't work well, though (stuttering).
found this while looking around for 3d content (which there isnt much of....), be neat to see it on a tv with official support now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wU3VpFSUY4
So, Anand... when can we get a 3D laptop review? There are currently a half dozen or more 3D capable laptops. I'm in the market for one. I trust anandtech.com. Sure would be nice to see some reviews.
Maybe something like a comparison of the following, with gaming benchmarks for variety of games along with subjective impressions of the 3D quality for:
Asus G73SW-3DE Alienware m17x-3D Sager NP8170-3D Sony VIAO 3D HP Envy 3D
So far, I've only had the chance to review a single 3D notebook, and it certainly wasn't the best foot forward for 3D notebooks: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3956
Here's my issue with 3D notebooks. First, gaming already puts a big hit on mobile GPUs. If you want to play 1080p games on a notebook at reasonable detail settings, you'd need the GTX 460M as a bare minimum. Second, doing stereoscopic 3D often results in performance that's less than half of non-3D performance, so as you can imagine a GTX 460M is only going to just get by at 1366x768 3D rendering. That's the third issue I have: you need to give up the 1080p LCD on many 3D notebooks (because the manufacturers know that 1080p 3D isn't possible with most mobile GPUs).
Of course the nail in the coffin for me is that I feel 3D is a gimmick -- never mind the annoyingly uncomfortable glasses; the effect just isn't that great, particularly on a laptop. If you want to use a laptop with a 3DTV, you can already do that without any of the special 3D notebooks -- just about any 400-series or 500-series NVIDIA GPU will do the trick (420M/525M or higher), and most of the 6000M stuff from AMD will handle it as well; heck, even HD 3000 from Intel can apparently do 3D (though I haven't tried it yet).
So basically, my feeling is 3D notebooks are more expensive and the only good aspect is the 120Hz display (with 3D turned off). Of course, that's no guarantee that it's a *good* 120Hz display. I've seen the Alienware M17x-3D, and that was a nice looking panel, so maybe the other 1080p 3D panels will be good as well. Still, you're typically looking at paying an extra $300 to go from non-3D to 3D notebooks. For me, it's just not worthwhile.
I will add to this because I have some experience. I bought an XPS 17 3D Dell because adding 3D cost me literally nothing with the coupon codes floating around. I didn't expect much, because I'm not impressed by 3D in movies, but I was pleasantly surprised by the 3D effect. Pop-out is cool, but the real feature is depth - it simply makes scenes look more real. Very immersive, in my opinion.
Anyway, having said that, I would not recommend 3D on a notebook if that is going to be your primary gaming machine. Laptops simply don't have the horsepower for it, unless you want to spend $5,000 and maybe you can find a 485m SLI laptop that weighs 20 lbs. somewhere.
The Alienware M17x, for instance, has a mobile GTX 460m, but that's not even close to good enough for smooth 3D performance at 1080p with max settings - which is what you'd expect when you pay 3K for a laptop.
I know because I went to a GTX 580 setup for my desktop to play 3D, and that is what you need for smooth 1080p 3D play with high settings in most games.
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Syphadeus - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
Are they going to start supporting video streaming during peak times in the afternoon, or just going to continue working on smooth ad streaming while the content I want to actually watch stutters craptastically?RCH Flight - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
I know I have had the trouble you have had syphadeus but you might want to check your internet provider. I find that I have better streaming via my verizon wireless 3g at 1 mbit than I do with my att 6mbit home dsl. Kinda sucky...Given the chance att would lose me in a heartbeat due to this, 150 gb caps, and poor speeds. Sadly there are no other mainstream ip providers in my area..
Verizon, give us fios and we will come.
ewicky - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
What the hell is "side by side frame packing?" There is frame packing and there is side by side. Not one in the same.snarfbot - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
the display recieves a 1920x1080@60hz signal and makes 960x1080@120hz. im pretty sure thats how the ps3's frame packing works. any interleaved format are examples of frame packing for instance. its fed to the display as one progressive image and then split up by the display.side by side, if your using dual projectors for instance, the gpu is still rendering to 1 framebuffer, but at 3840x1080 and the displays are set to span desktop.
so its the same principle. frame packing 2 images into one 1080p@60hz signal is required to overcome the alleged bandwidth limitations of hdmi.
Zoeff - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
Nvidia glasses user here, it doesn't work even after fiddling with it for 30 minutes. :/xhafan - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
the same for meRyan Smith - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
Try disabling SLI; that was the cause of our problems. NVIDIA doesn't have SLI + 3D Vision windowed mode working correctly together quite yet, which is unfortunate since SLI and 3D Vision are otherwise a good pair-up.Zoeff - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
Just a single GTX580 here, so I can't even turn on SLI.I guess it's still in alpha.
Ryan Smith - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
The only other thing I can think of is drivers. It requires the 275 beta drivers.http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=20132...
Matrices - Friday, May 27, 2011 - link
Nvidia doesn't have SLI windowed support, period. AMD doesn't have CF windowed support, either, for reference.Would be interesting to know the cause for the limitation.
Matrices - Friday, May 27, 2011 - link
I should correct myself - SLI does work in windowed mode in games and has for the past couple years, at least. It certainly doesn't work well, though (stuttering).Zoeff - Friday, May 27, 2011 - link
I'm using the 275 drivers. Both the checks on this page show up as green: http://www.3dvisionlive.com/3dv-html5-detectionI've tried both firefox and chrome, just to be sure. Bad Company 2 is working just fine with 3D vision.
I give up. :-(
Zoeff - Friday, May 27, 2011 - link
Ah nevermind. I reinstalled the drivers and it's working fine now. :-)Zoeff - Friday, May 27, 2011 - link
Disregard that, it's no longer working.Sigh. :-/
BishopLord - Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - link
Looks like the new driver release, 310.33, now supports windowed 3D.http://www.anandtech.com/show/6408/nvidia-releases...
NinjaCommando - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
found this while looking around for 3d content (which there isnt much of....), be neat to see it on a tv with official support now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wU3VpFSUY4Bolas - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
So, Anand... when can we get a 3D laptop review? There are currently a half dozen or more 3D capable laptops. I'm in the market for one. I trust anandtech.com. Sure would be nice to see some reviews.Maybe something like a comparison of the following, with gaming benchmarks for variety of games along with subjective impressions of the 3D quality for:
Asus G73SW-3DE
Alienware m17x-3D
Sager NP8170-3D
Sony VIAO 3D
HP Envy 3D
Thanks!
Bolas
JarredWalton - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
Hi Bolas,So far, I've only had the chance to review a single 3D notebook, and it certainly wasn't the best foot forward for 3D notebooks: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3956
Here's my issue with 3D notebooks. First, gaming already puts a big hit on mobile GPUs. If you want to play 1080p games on a notebook at reasonable detail settings, you'd need the GTX 460M as a bare minimum. Second, doing stereoscopic 3D often results in performance that's less than half of non-3D performance, so as you can imagine a GTX 460M is only going to just get by at 1366x768 3D rendering. That's the third issue I have: you need to give up the 1080p LCD on many 3D notebooks (because the manufacturers know that 1080p 3D isn't possible with most mobile GPUs).
Of course the nail in the coffin for me is that I feel 3D is a gimmick -- never mind the annoyingly uncomfortable glasses; the effect just isn't that great, particularly on a laptop. If you want to use a laptop with a 3DTV, you can already do that without any of the special 3D notebooks -- just about any 400-series or 500-series NVIDIA GPU will do the trick (420M/525M or higher), and most of the 6000M stuff from AMD will handle it as well; heck, even HD 3000 from Intel can apparently do 3D (though I haven't tried it yet).
So basically, my feeling is 3D notebooks are more expensive and the only good aspect is the 120Hz display (with 3D turned off). Of course, that's no guarantee that it's a *good* 120Hz display. I've seen the Alienware M17x-3D, and that was a nice looking panel, so maybe the other 1080p 3D panels will be good as well. Still, you're typically looking at paying an extra $300 to go from non-3D to 3D notebooks. For me, it's just not worthwhile.
Matrices - Friday, May 27, 2011 - link
I will add to this because I have some experience. I bought an XPS 17 3D Dell because adding 3D cost me literally nothing with the coupon codes floating around. I didn't expect much, because I'm not impressed by 3D in movies, but I was pleasantly surprised by the 3D effect. Pop-out is cool, but the real feature is depth - it simply makes scenes look more real. Very immersive, in my opinion.Anyway, having said that, I would not recommend 3D on a notebook if that is going to be your primary gaming machine. Laptops simply don't have the horsepower for it, unless you want to spend $5,000 and maybe you can find a 485m SLI laptop that weighs 20 lbs. somewhere.
The Alienware M17x, for instance, has a mobile GTX 460m, but that's not even close to good enough for smooth 3D performance at 1080p with max settings - which is what you'd expect when you pay 3K for a laptop.
I know because I went to a GTX 580 setup for my desktop to play 3D, and that is what you need for smooth 1080p 3D play with high settings in most games.
ProDigit - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link
I bought my anaglyph glasses 4 weeks ago, and have seen several youtube video's already!Saying it's only out today shows how wrong you guys are!
I've been watching 3D movies for 4 weeks already!
As well as 3D pictures, and looking at 3D google maps (street view).