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  • mayankleoboy1 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    The FPS improvements in games are astonishing.
  • Rick83 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    This validates pretty much what everyone expected: Titan is so direly TDP-limited, that GTX780 will perform exactly the same at a given TDP, rendering the over 9000 dollar card equal to the slightly more pedestrian (if still obscenely priced) GTX 780. The only thing that splits the two are the disabled DP-units, which probably give GTX 780 a gaming advantage, when both cards operate at the TDP limit.

    I hope all (non-home-HPC) Titan buyers enjoyed their 10 weeks of owning the fastest GPU in the world....Titan surely was nV's marketing coup of the decade.
  • tipoo - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    The 780 still has 1/24th DP performance though, people who bought the Titan strictly for gaming had more money than sense and they'll be fine, but the 780 won't surpass the Titan in what it excels at. The next uncrippled CUDA compatible card up is 2400 dollars, compared to "merely" 1000.
  • This Guy - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    680's in SLI didn't cut it for a few blokes running 2560x1440 @120Hz. Titan SLI did. This is a kick in their pants.
  • TheMan876 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    Wait... there are 2560x1440 120hz monitors??
  • karthvader11512 - Saturday, June 1, 2013 - link

    yes most 27" monitors are this resolution.
  • theguardianlegend - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - link

    This is incorrect. Most 27" monitors have a resolution of 1920 x 1080, or 1920 x 1200. And most 27" monitors certainly don't run at 120hz-- in fact, most monitors, in general, run at 60hz.
  • theguardianlegend - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - link

    Yes, but not many. They're starting to catch on. My understanding is that most of the panels used for these monitors come from Korea, at the moment. The only US based company that I've seen producing a monitor like this is Overlord Computer, and you can check them out at overlordcomputer.com. There have been more than a handful of people that swear by their Catleap 2b monitors, which run at this resolution, and can be overclocked to anywhere between 110 to 130hz.
  • mayankleoboy1 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    By "TDP limited" , you mean that the chip can consume more power for perf, but is artificially limited by Nvidia to fit in their vision of a "good boy card" ?
  • AndyAut - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    Not sure you worked with both cards. I use 2x780, 4xTitan and 4x7970GE for folding and will add 2 superclocked 780s next week (they are hard to get right now). Neither the Titan nor the 780 is in most cases TDP bound, but rather temperature bound.

    Both, 780 and Titan can run Stanford's most recent folding software at 1175 MHz (in my case) and still be below 60 degree Celsius. By and large, in computational intensive workloads the performance of the two cards are proportionally to the number of SMX units apart (12 vs. 14) - as long as the application uses single precision.

    Some numbers:
    with work unit 7663, my dual GPU systems produce: (all GPUs are in identical base systems)
    Titan: 330.000 ppd (440 watt at wall outlet)
    780: 280.000 ppd (430 watt)
    7970 GE: 200.000 ppd (380 watt)

    Dual Titan's are capable of 400.000 PPD with the recent work unit 8900 - which is computationally more efficient, but taxes power consumption a bit more (+25 watt per GPU)
  • nathanddrews - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Impressive! /MK announcer voice
  • Grzesiu - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Now we wait for the results of the fully custom 780s.
  • sticks435 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Yea, I'm curious to see what the + and ++ power target on Evga FTW and Classified are. Pretty sure it's custom bios to increase TDP draw.
  • Kevin G - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Now that card manufactures have access to raw GK110 for custom PCB's, I wonder if one is going to go out of their way to create a custom PCB for Titan. Allowing for a higher TDP limit (two 8 pin connectors for 375W head room?) and a custom cooler would allow for end users to really push the GK110 chip.

    Cards released so far feel like they're being artificially held back due to thermal and TDP limits.
  • mayankleoboy1 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Unlikely, as Nvidia has become much stricter about TDP/acoustic ratings of custom cards.
  • jasonelmore - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    There are several custom bios's that let you increase the TDP and voltages.

    http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1886514&m...
  • xinthius - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    "This is significant because GTX 780 pacls a GPU"

    I believe it should be packs.

    Good article, amazing GPU.
  • djnforce9 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Nice Overclock! I wonder if those settings will work on my card (still need to install and set it up first of course). It's the EVGA variant with stock fan cooling though. Got to love how it exceeds the titan at those speeds. If not, I will try to get as far as I can. Even stock itself will be amazing.
  • r3loaded - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    I assume that water blocks for the Titan will fit the 780? Because it's time to put them under water!! :D
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    The cards are all using nVidia's reference board which is identical to Titan's so existing full cover blocks will work. However only the initial batch of cards are going to be pure reference designs; I haven't seen anything to say if the PCB design will be changed too or just the cooler.
  • drewp - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    in my experience i've found the 780gtx to be 100% TDP limited and not so much temps... I had seen someone where on the internet that watercooling didn't yield all that much more performance.

    my gpu clock is @ 1076mhz, boost @ 1128, and max boost @ 1241. Memory is 7.3ghz. And voltage @ 1.2 temps are around the mid 80s
  • spidey81 - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Water cooling may not yield better overclocks, but you'll see drastically lower temps and near silent operation depending on how you have the loop configured.
  • Death666Angel - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    Unless you are seriously space limited (in which case WC shouldn't be your first option anyway), it's silent and cool in any circumstance. What good is it to have my graphics card run at 35°C instead of 45°C and my fans run at 550rpm instead of 600rpm when I could have another 10, 15, 20% performance. The difference between OCd and non OCd with my 7970 is 6°C and ~50 rpm in my watercooling setup. But I get ~15 to 20% more performance in all games. Watercooling is supposed to improve every metric (temps, noise, perf.) and not just 2 of them. I hope this isn't an example for the future. I'd hate 20nm parts to be limited to 250 or maybe even 200W TDP.
  • P5-133XL - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    If you are going to compare the GTX 780 OC with the Titan, to be fair it should contain the Titan OC results too.
  • jasonelmore - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    just use anandtech's test bench to compare titan OC vs 780 OC
  • HisDivineOrder - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link

    This is a card that pleads with you to watercool it.
  • StealthGhost - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    And to think, if it was $500 I would own it

    Thinking since I don't NEED it right now i'm going to wait for Maxwell or at the very least AMD's 8000 series
  • james.jwb - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    Ryan, where (what software) do you get readings for base, boost, max boost while overclocking?
  • james.jwb - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    Ah, i guess it's because you know the base clock, so when you raise the GPU Clock offset by 200, you know everything is 200mhz more (though max boost turned out to be a little higher?).
  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    GPU-Z lists the first two. The third isn't a hardcoded value, but rather logging the GPU clockspeeds and looking for the highest boost bin.
  • Daggarhawk - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link

    I've attempted to quantify price/performance. Let's assume $1000 ea for the top three cards, $650 for the 780 and $450 for the 7970GHz. Averaging the FPS results of all five games, you get the below. Assuming "100%" for the Titan, you get very good results for the 780 relative to its class. However, we're not seeing good results relative to top shelf "current gen" single gpu cards. "Next Gen" to me ought to mean far and away surpassing the "previous gen" in price performance. By that standard what we're seeing is simply pay more get more, which is fine for what it is, but we didn't necessarily need a new card for that. A bit lame from Nvidia. Hopefully AMD can demonstrate the meaning of next generation.

    Card Performance/Price relative to Titan
    GTX 690 120%
    Radeon HD 7990 118%
    GTX Titan 100%
    GTX 780 OC 163%
    GTX 780 139%
    GTX HD 7970 GHz 159%

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    Card Ave AnandTech FPS
    GTX 690 79.16
    Radeon HD 7990 78.1
    GTX Titan 65.98
    GTX 780 OC 70.08
    GTX 780 59.7
    GTX HD 7970 GHz 47.24
  • maximumGPU - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    Well put. Had they been more aggressive with pricing they would've had a card worth calling "next gen". the price/performance of this card only confirms we've done zero progress since last year.
  • Daggarhawk - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    Spoke too soon. The 770 pricing is excellent, and easily makes obsolete the 680 and 670 in the retail space.
  • Laststop311 - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    Well it was awesome blowing 1050 on a titan which nvidia promised would not be passed in performance by the next generation. Yes depending on your definition of performance the gtx 780 doesn't pass it but man I would of much rather paid 650 and just did a slight overclock to not jack the noise up too bad and I would have practically even gaming for 400 less. Oh well that's how the cookie crumbles in the PC world.
  • maximumGPU - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    if you're only interested in gaming, then why where you ok paying the premium for all that compute performance in Titan? Titan should be bought only by those interested in compute or both compute/gaming.
    for gaming only it's ridiculously poor value.
  • Daggarhawk - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    don't rub it in maximumGPU. let's be honest, Nvidia aggressively and almost exclusively marketed the Titan as a gaming component. And it was impressive that k|ng|p|n was able to blow away the previous 3dmark scores under LN2 with Titans on air. Quad Titans will still be the most powerful gaming machine possible, but.... well... it also happens to redefine overkill and be within financial reach of only a handful of bourgeois enthusiasts.
  • djnforce9 - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link

    The settings in this article did not work for me but I managed to find something just under that worked along with a voltage of +25mV. Sometimes running the so called stress tests (e.g. FurMark, heaven, etc) is deceiving. The card could remain stable for long periods of time but then when you go to load up a game, THEN it crashes. In my case, the article's settings didn't play nicely with "Sacred 2 - Fallen Angel" (crashed within seconds on the menu screen with the "Display stopped responding" error). Lowered the clock settings and it worked great again.
  • nleksan - Saturday, June 1, 2013 - link

    Pretty impressed with the 780 so far, although it's hard to get excited when we get two new cards, one of which is $1000 and the other $650+, while the rest of the lineup is barely even a refresh of what we already have available...

    I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go 3-way SLI with my GTX670 FTW's, as they're overclocking BEASTS (running both @ 1432core/1843(7372effective)memory), and just throw in a 650Ti/Boost/550Ti for PhysX and some extra Compute power... Already placing higher than most 680's/7970's on HWBot in single and dual-card benches, and games run SMOOTHLY (had 2x 7970 Lightning's but I would have gotten rid of them even if they hadn't been killed by EK water blocks...)... I don't even use my 680 Lightning's for anything other than benching anymore, really...

    HOWEVER... If they introduce a GTX 780 Lightning 3GB or ideally 6GB card, with further beefed-up power delivery AND MOST IMPORTANTLY fully-unlocked voltage control, AND if Aquacomputer and/or Watercool/Heatkiller blocks become available for it, I will strongly consider buying a pair...
    In my experience with the Lightning's, which is every model since they were introduced, if done properly we could see ~1400core and ~7500mem out of these cards with nothing but regular water cooling, ~1475-1550core and ~7800mem with chilled water, and who knows how high with sub-zero cooling!!!
  • Iskaa1990 - Monday, June 3, 2013 - link

    Quick question: Why are the Anand FPS Scores for Games so much higher compared to any other sites?

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