"Perhaps the most interesting news of all was only touched on briefly. FM2+ motherboards should are now shipping, with more likely to show up in the coming weeks. "
I just wish that there would be a Steam Roller update for socket AM3 on the consumer side and socket G34 for servers. These updates have disappeared since the last roadmap update. :(
We'll have to see of course -- technically, all AMD has to do is ship one specific model of Kaveri APU and they meet their criteria. It could be a laptop or desktop, maybe only to a specific OEM even. Let's hope it's a general release, though!
I'm really looking forward to building a htpc/steam box with a kaveri. If the performance comes in close to what AMD is saying, we'll finally have a 1080p gaming rig at console prices!
Rumour has it that Kaveri will have 13 Compute Units, which is one more than the Xbox One (and 5 less than the PS4). That's pretty decent, but of course memory bandwidth is also a limitation. Still, it looks to be a lot more interesting for gaming than the current APU's are. Hopefully price will not be much higher.
If Microsoft dared to build an "Xbox mode" inside Windows 8, we would have all the ingredients to build the perfect HTPC-console substitute. Somehow Microsoft dropped the ball on HTPC, don't know why.
Finally, a good (cheaper) alternative to i3-4130 + H87 for an HTPC.
The performance of Trinity and Richland were fine and all, but the lack of 4K video support hurt their future usability.
P.S. Any chance of a budget CPU review for 4K video when kabini comes out? I'm curious to know if a pentium G3220 with 10EU can playback 4K video, where as I'm quite sure an A6 or A8 kabini would.
And where are you going to get 4K video? You mean the 4K video from smartphones like Galaxy Note 3? Face it, you will upgrade your HTPC five times before we actually get wide availability of 4K video...we still only have one good source of 1080p video and that is BluRay disks
How will these stack up to the FX series CPU's? Cause unless these are at least 30% faster on a per core basis they just don't matter. I mean, think about that, 30% would still be SUBSTANTIALLY slower than Intel. They have to pull that off just to stay relevant.
They will be slower. Your definition of relevance here is applicable only to a market area that AMD are no longer capable of playing in. The performance of the CPU in these should still be decidedly relevant in the i3 / low end i5 market space.
if amd wouldnt have such a weak marketing this could be a success. how can a company offer processors with a sort of sophisticated hyperthreading as having twice the amount of cores than they really have. if intel can easily outdo a so called eight core cpu with a product which has only four cpu cores one might draw the conclusion that the so called eight core is some sort of crap. they havent succeeded in marketing their products in another way than performance and were unable to explain why raw performance nowadays isnt the only advantage considering your needs. maybe a good gpu would help them to explain that to their customers. and lets people forget about their approaches with experience and vision labels, which are more confusing than helpful.
Some people are really silly around here... richland is ~30% slower in ipc then ivy, 35% slower then haswell if we strip out AVX tests and other intel "dedicated" instructions use. Part of this difference is due to the dear intel compilers which have the infamous "cripple AMD 'instruction'". Richland(the "high end") runs usually 1 ghz over the i5's it's supposed to go against to be able to compete, that's 30% more ghz. If the IPC is improved by 30% and bs like AVX is shipped efficiently to the GPU in store(with HSA) this could just be the end of AMDs dark ages. If all these work out then there won't be an i5 standing and it would probably be on par with intels haswell i7s (albeit with higher power drain and heat thanks to the higher clock & larger node). And remember soon intel will have to decomission & repay any damage done with the biased compilers, so that alone will lift up some "benchmarks" out there. Plus with the advent of HSA AMD might just release some really efficient compilers that are APU aware.
Now wether or not AMD will pull this off remains to be seen but with the rumored ipc improvement and all the HSA features this chip might just tip the ballance...
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IanCutress - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
Woohoo Kaveri :)kyuu - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
Third paragraph, second sentence:"The new platform will support existing Trinity/Richland APUs, but more importantly it willupcoming Kaveri APUs as well as the."
This sentence no sense makes.
JarredWalton - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
Hahaha... ooops. I switched the order of the APUs, but forgot to move the "as well as the" part. Fixed now.rpsgc - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
Third paragraph, first sentence:"Perhaps the most interesting news of all was only touched on briefly. FM2+ motherboards should are now shipping, with more likely to show up in the coming weeks. "
Should are?
Kevin G - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
I just wish that there would be a Steam Roller update for socket AM3 on the consumer side and socket G34 for servers. These updates have disappeared since the last roadmap update. :(ET - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
I agree. I'd like to see Steamroller AM3+ chips. Otherwise the next time I upgrade will likely be to an Intel CPU.0ldman79 - Wednesday, October 30, 2013 - link
I'm considering it as well. I'm pretty happy with my FX 6300, but single threaded apps are still a little laggy from time to time.Steam Roller, let's go. Hop to...
pidgin - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
so not february then?if so I will be so freaking happy, don't care about price even
JarredWalton - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
We'll have to see of course -- technically, all AMD has to do is ship one specific model of Kaveri APU and they meet their criteria. It could be a laptop or desktop, maybe only to a specific OEM even. Let's hope it's a general release, though!Meaker10 - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
I hope they can do MSI a service and offer a mobile black edition so their GX series is actually a reasonable platform.Drumsticks - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
I'm so excited for kaveri! Good luck APUs and AMD!Slowman61 - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
I'm really looking forward to building a htpc/steam box with a kaveri. If the performance comes in close to what AMD is saying, we'll finally have a 1080p gaming rig at console prices!ET - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
Rumour has it that Kaveri will have 13 Compute Units, which is one more than the Xbox One (and 5 less than the PS4). That's pretty decent, but of course memory bandwidth is also a limitation. Still, it looks to be a lot more interesting for gaming than the current APU's are. Hopefully price will not be much higher.Da W - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
If Microsoft dared to build an "Xbox mode" inside Windows 8, we would have all the ingredients to build the perfect HTPC-console substitute. Somehow Microsoft dropped the ball on HTPC, don't know why.meacupla - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
Finally, a good (cheaper) alternative to i3-4130 + H87 for an HTPC.The performance of Trinity and Richland were fine and all, but the lack of 4K video support hurt their future usability.
P.S. Any chance of a budget CPU review for 4K video when kabini comes out?
I'm curious to know if a pentium G3220 with 10EU can playback 4K video, where as I'm quite sure an A6 or A8 kabini would.
meacupla - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
oops, I meant kaveri, not kabini.durask - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
And where are you going to get 4K video? You mean the 4K video from smartphones like Galaxy Note 3?Face it, you will upgrade your HTPC five times before we actually get wide availability of 4K video...we still only have one good source of 1080p video and that is BluRay disks
Conduit - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
AMD, Always Major Delaystipoo - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
Which driver will install in Windows 8.1 for the HD4000 series? I've had no luck so far :(I know it's "legacy", but they did update it to support windows 8 and I believe I read support ofr 8.1 was coming.
whyso - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
AMD is starting to play the SKU game...And a a10-6800k is $130 on amazon.
Hrel - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
How will these stack up to the FX series CPU's? Cause unless these are at least 30% faster on a per core basis they just don't matter. I mean, think about that, 30% would still be SUBSTANTIALLY slower than Intel. They have to pull that off just to stay relevant.Spunjji - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
They will be slower. Your definition of relevance here is applicable only to a market area that AMD are no longer capable of playing in. The performance of the CPU in these should still be decidedly relevant in the i3 / low end i5 market space.stefstef - Thursday, October 31, 2013 - link
if amd wouldnt have such a weak marketing this could be a success. how can a company offer processors with a sort of sophisticated hyperthreading as having twice the amount of cores thanthey really have. if intel can easily outdo a so called eight core cpu with a product which has only four cpu cores one might draw the conclusion that the so called eight core is some sort of crap. they havent succeeded in marketing their products in another way than performance and were unable to explain why raw performance nowadays isnt the only advantage considering your needs. maybe a good gpu would help them to explain that to their customers. and lets people forget about their approaches with experience and vision labels, which are more confusing than helpful.
mosu - Sunday, November 3, 2013 - link
You're sooo right!RajSB - Tuesday, November 5, 2013 - link
Nice to see someone naming their products after Indian (in India) rivers....Kabini now Kaveri. Thanks AMD.tcube - Monday, November 11, 2013 - link
Some people are really silly around here... richland is ~30% slower in ipc then ivy, 35% slower then haswell if we strip out AVX tests and other intel "dedicated" instructions use. Part of this difference is due to the dear intel compilers which have the infamous "cripple AMD 'instruction'". Richland(the "high end") runs usually 1 ghz over the i5's it's supposed to go against to be able to compete, that's 30% more ghz. If the IPC is improved by 30% and bs like AVX is shipped efficiently to the GPU in store(with HSA) this could just be the end of AMDs dark ages. If all these work out then there won't be an i5 standing and it would probably be on par with intels haswell i7s (albeit with higher power drain and heat thanks to the higher clock & larger node). And remember soon intel will have to decomission & repay any damage done with the biased compilers, so that alone will lift up some "benchmarks" out there. Plus with the advent of HSA AMD might just release some really efficient compilers that are APU aware.Now wether or not AMD will pull this off remains to be seen but with the rumored ipc improvement and all the HSA features this chip might just tip the ballance...