The iOS 8 Review

by Brandon Chester on 9/17/2014 1:00 PM EST
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  • retrospooty - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    "from the perspective of a user there's no real wow factor with iOS 8 right now."

    Wow... Great to see we are allowed to say something slightly negative about Apple now. Seems like its been a long time.
  • Larryt2000 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    IDK.... IOS 8's Hand off feature works with third party apps as well as Apple apps, which is insane. Its functionality times 100. That's an insane wow factor. What developers are already doing with IOS 8 features, is crazy. TouchID integration, extensions features from other apps, and the huge developer support on freakin day one, which is something Android and Windows would die for. This is pretty huge.
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    That was Brandon's point, that part will be a big change, but it's not something someone will realize immediately after starting to use iOS8, hence the lack of wow factor.

    Mobile OS releases WILL reach a point eventually where they go thru their ME/Vista/8 phases and people are unhappy, underwhelmed, or completely ambivalent.

    The big problem then will choice, you can easily choose to stick with XP/7 for years, not so much on mobile.
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I should add, Android is much more likely to face that kinda scenario, Apple and it's users are already more accustomed to a my way or the highway approach (not a shot, it's just a different approach to design) and they've preconditioned Mac already.

    A year or two ago I fouled l could see Apple losing more market share on mobile but now I think they'll always have a larger maker share there than on desktops.
  • Larryt2000 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Yeah...I can understand users not noticing the features up front, but with the shear amount of developer app updates, and the amount of developer excitement has developers talking up these new features all over the app store. IDK... I think it will take a long time to get people underwhelmed about Apple stuff. I cant see them in the near future approaching a Vista, or Win 8 (which was a mess) phase.
  • Morawka - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    will handoff for imessage be coming to PC? like motorolla connect or jailbroken remote messages?
  • realbabilu - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Unfortunately handoff is gone now in PC hackintosh Yosemite DP7 with BT 4.0 BCM. it was ok on DP6.
  • aktariel - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    SMS Relay is currently disabled on DP7 (even for legit Macs). It will likely return when Yosemite is officially released.
  • Deelron - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I'm not sure it's exactly negative, nor positive unless the prevailing thought is that a free (well, already paid for by owning the type of device) needs some sort of "wow factor" for it to propagate to user devices, particularly as mobile OS's get more mature.
  • theNiZer - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Spot on!
  • KoolAidMan1 - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    That's because iOS 8 is mostly an under the hood update for developers to further increase performance and functionality. SceneKit, Handoff, Metal API, etc.

    Tech stuff, not shiny gimmicks like we know you're into
  • Donkey2008 - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Oh look. Another smarty comment from an Android fanboy. Seems like its been 1-2 minutes since we heard one. Glad to know that the biggest douches on tech forums (Android owners) are still on top of their game.
  • sprockkets - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    Sorry if you think that is a "smarty" comment from an Android owner.

    After 143 comments, as usual, darwinosx hasn't bothered to say one word of praise about this update, yet he/she will always be trolling any story about android or a device running it.

    Grow some skin - darwinosx in comparison spews nothing but bullsht.
  • Axee7 - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link

    DOn't buy iPhone 6 Plus.. Its huge and over thin and it get bent so easily.. I just saw horrifying pics here :( read more on AxeeTech dot com
  • zepi - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    "Not everyone has an Apple device and therefore not everyone has iMessage."

    And this renders whole iMessages almost useless. Why on earth would one use it in the first place when free crossplatform apps are available?
  • p_giguere1 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Because you don't always know whether your recipient has the necessary app installed and their account info when necessary. For a lot of people you text and you are not necessarily very close to, it's just awkward/long to ask "Do you have Hangouts? What's your Google account?", so you'll just send a regular text. That's where iMessage is relevant. In this case, the question is more like "Why on earth would one NOT use it rather than a regular text", since it's literally as easy as sending a text and only have added benefits.
  • Ancillas - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    On an Android phone, Hangouts and SMS are integrated into one view, just like SMS and iMessage.

    The difference is that when I send a message from my iPhone to my buddy who has an Android phone, he can't use iMessage because he doesn't have Apple hardware. That's absurd. I'll just install Hangouts, and we get all the same features.

    Along the same lines, if I want to have the ability to take my iMessage conversation off of my phone and on to my computer, then I have to have OS X. Again, that's crazy. Using Hangouts, I just hop on to a browser on any computer, and I have all my messages right there.

    PalmOS did this right by putting Google messages inline with SMS messages (along with other providers). Apple could do this, but they won't because they want to protect their ecosystem. I will not endorse that closed-model design, even though I use iOS. I choose to use the Hangouts app in iOS, but I don't use Hangout for SMS (even though it is supported).
  • steven75 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    What's absurd is expecting everyone to have or create a Google account in order to use Hangouts. SMS is universally supported.
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    SMS has many serious issues, it's time for something better... If iMessage supported a universal protocol it'd be the bomb, but Apple would never do that.
  • cj100570 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    You must be confused, you don't have to create a Google account to use Hangouts for SMS. Never have. If you set Hangouts as your SMS app it merely takes the place of the default app.
  • oynaz - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    What's absurd is expecting everyone to have or create a phone number account in order to use SMS.

    FTFY
  • wireframed - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    Yeah, now we need phone numbers for our phones? What is this bs?! What's next, needing to have an email to use Google+?
  • crimson117 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Assuming you've installed Hangouts and don't jus tuse the custom messaging app that came with your phone...
  • vinospam - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    For all those crowing about how Hangouts simply work - here's one fact that renders any Google based messaging system mostly unusable to over 2 Billion people right now. All Google sites, apps and services are blocked in most of China. I was traveling for business in China for 2 weeks and on China Unicom network. Gmail, docs, hangout, google groups - nothing is accessible. You can still get Gmail via IMAP and POP but the gmail.com website is inaccessible. In some big cities like Shanghai - some providers have managed to get around it but its rare. Dropbox and Box also did not work. And what about iMessage, FaceTime, iCloud and Apple Apps - they simply did. Now conspiracy theorists will immediately say Apple is in cahoots with the censors in China and NSA (everyone except Putin's intelligence services apparently) - but I don't care. I need to keep my business going and trying to be a nerd is not a big priority. Apple's devices just work - and thats it.
  • theuglyman0war - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    wow that is extremely sad. I feel for u.
    Just horrible times we still live in.
    :(
  • bznotins - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I was recently vacationing in China and just got a VPN service. Everything works perfectly then. Cheap, too ($30/year).
  • Nam3less - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    You cant use VPN all the time especially when you are on the GO on 3G or 4G services. Keeping VPN just drains the battery too as it has to maintain a constant connection for it. At home / office, i think its workable. Thats the pain currently living in China.
  • Nam3less - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Very very good post. I have been living in China for almost a decade and most of the foreign web services are more or less blocked unless used with VPN. I have a Note 2 and since sometime most google services, Box, Dropbox are not working properly at all. Hell even google Maps doesnt work properly.

    Compared to Apple and Microsoft too in this case, their services are working so far. Apple maps are the best in China because they use the date from Autonavi and it shows results in English and Chinese as expected. Problems arise when you try to use routing Software such as google maps (which wont work) or any other Chinese mapping apps which works only in Chinese. Hence for this reason i am seriously considering IOS or Windows devices. Android is no 1 in China but its mostly by Chinese company who replace all the google apps with their chinese counterpart so people dont mind using them. I seriously think that google should think of complying with Chinese regulators again so their services work without being blocked. Until then Google services cant be used. Big factors for many foreigners like me living here.
  • Sushisamurai - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    unfortunately... Gmail IMAP and POP don't work as great anymore, and this is real-time in china. Almost all google services are shut down here in China. Don't even get me started with FB syncing for apps for multiple devices... ... I wish they just used game center/icloud, cause now I have unsynced applications on multiple devices. What a mess.
  • FATCamaro - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Good job!! Hangouts and SMS got integrated last yer. iMessages and SMS have been integrated for nearly FIVE years!
  • robinthakur - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Er, no that's nonsense. If I start typing a message to somebody in my address book on an iOS device, it turns blue if they have iMessage but to Android users it's green which means it is an SMS and it reaches them perfectly fine. Honestly, if it worked the way you say it did, it would be totally pointless. iMessage syncs with all Apple kit so this benefits people who use iPads and Macs, which is fine because it makes life easier. If I send a Hangout on my HTC One M8 to somebody with a Google account but who doesn't have Hangouts enabled, it goes through fine, but they never reply. Which is the more useless? I wanted to like Hangouts, but the hideous green interface or the fact that hardly anybody I know user Android makes it suboptimal and tend to just leave it in the SMS setting which is a far worse solution than on my old iPhone with iMessage because I could send without cellular signal and send pictures,voice etc. for free over wifi. Seriously, of the two implementations, I definitely prefer (and miss) iMessage.
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Well, for one thing, people that initiate a group chat on iMessage just end up annoying those of us who have to interact with it thru SMS and can't seamlessly reply to the whole group etc ... So that's one reason not to use it.

    Photos sent over iMessage also end up overcompressed when sent to an MMS recipient, and trying to explain to someone why you would prefer they email it or Dropbox it is like pulling teeth.

    Granted, you could rightly state most of those issues stem from user ignorance, but I'm the end it's really Apple's attempt at transparently blending a universal system with a proprietary one that's causing the confusion.
  • WinterCharm - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    False. That's completely wrong. If the messages app detects that not everyone in the group you are messaging has iMessage, it simply forces the entire group to use SMS, so it's seamless for everyone.
  • grayson_carr - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    No, you are wrong. It forces the entire group to use MMS, not SMS. There is a difference. In many countries, SMS is free, but MMS (used for group texts, pictures, etc.) is not.
  • Impulses - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    False. That's completely wrong. I've been in plenty of conversations with iPhone users (most of my friends) where one of them suddenly goes "why isn't Frank responding, is he not coming?" because they don't realize I'm not on iMessage and my replies ate only going to the originator of group chat.

    Thanks for playing but try again. I could get around that by initiating a group SMS for everyone in the chat (once I figure who THAT is after a few replies), but it's a big hassle since each individual reply from each person will come in under the thread for that particular person.

    Usually the chat originator just ends up repeating what I've said, it's a pain, and iMessage can eat me.
  • sherifone - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Thats because on Android group MMS is a crap show. Apple supports the standard correctly and on Android it is handled on an app by app basis, sometimes very poorly. It is your phone/app's fault you didn't get the message.

    iOS detects that there is a non iMessage user in the conversation and it turns into a group MMS. There is no such thing as a group SMS, just FYI.

    This works flawlessly among my android and iOS friends. Mostly because my Android friends are educated in the way MMS/Group messaging works and took the time to find a functional app and/or phone.
  • Impulses - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I didn't fail to receive any messages, read my comment. Point is turning it into a hybrid group MMS/instant message convo is not very helpful to others and turns into a mess, because I can't easily reply to the group and I'm basically forced into the conversation as well... With no option to back out of it or ALL subsequent replies. It's not just non-iPhone users that are affected either.

    It might seem all transparent and easy to use for them, except when it ceases to be. I've lost track of the number of times an iMessage user has sent a group message asking something (like everyone's address for wedding invitations, etc) and the rest of the iMessage users blindly reply. Other iMessage users don't (and shouldn't) see those replies, only the originator, but I end up seeing all of them...

    Any time you send a group MMS to someone on iMessage every other user you sent it to is invariably gonna see that iMessage user's reply, which doesn't follow standard SMS/MMS logic.
  • robinthakur - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Yep, definitely agree since I mopved from iPhone to Android, I was shocked at how backwards messaging still is on the platform, most still use SMS and Hangouts has hardly any traction. All my friends who are iPhone users regularly bitch and moan that they have no idea if i've read something, and that they receive multiple identical texts from Hangouts and I would say they now message me less because it is just hassle for them. Hopefully my iPhone 6 plus arrives soon.
  • retrospooty - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    clearly you havent used Hangouts. It's fully integrated with text messaging. It just works
  • robinthakur - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Is that why both my HTC One M8 and my brother's Motorola G send the same message multiple times to recipients which drives them crazy? As the sender, I have no idea this is happening until I start getting complaints that i've just sent the same text 5 times. It seems such a simple app, the fact that it doesn't actually work must be pretty embarrassing for Google. In all my years of using iMessage, it never screwed up that badly and generally worked pretty slickly across all my devices with a decent carrier. Google would help themselves if they got rid of having Messages AND Hangouts in the AOSP. Most users have no idea which one to use and opt for Messages and then think that Android is incredibly backward as a result.
  • SirPerro - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Why? Everybody uses whatsapp now, even iOS users. And no need to contact them in the first place.

    iMessages would be fine if more than a 10% of the people had it, and if whatsapp didn't exist
  • samsonjs - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Everyone I know who uses iOS (i.e. most people that I know) uses the Messages app and thus has and uses iMessage. I don't have to get them to sign up for anything or install an app, I just send them a message the same way I used to send them an SMS and now it uses iMessage and has higher-res photos and all the other goodies that come with it.

    Why wouldn't I use it?
  • Ancillas - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    That's the same argument for Android users. Hangouts integrates with SMS, so why wouldn't they use it? The difference is that iMessage isn't an option for Android users, but Hangouts *is* an option for iOS users.
  • steven75 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    It's a huge difference. Installing an app and creating an account vs neither. Not to mention Google's problems with privacy invasion.
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Not really, the only difference lies in that Apple pre installs the app (doesn't Hangouts come with most phones now tho?) AND automatically logs you in with your Apple account which most people blissfully ignore. If Google integrated Hangouts to that degree there'd be a pitchfork mob over it.
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I know you meant that comment as an iPhone user and Hangouts would never be pre-installed, but you're basically assuming everyone should use an iPhone if your argument is his revolve around that single point.
  • WinterCharm - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Wrong again. The difference is that apples app is the only messaging app installed and it seamlessly switches between SMS and iMessage WITHIN the same app. It's not about having the app installed. It's about seamless integration.
  • grayson_carr - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Um, actually you are wrong again. On Nexus Android phones, Hangouts is the only messaging app installed and it seamlessly switches between SMS and Hangout messages WITHIN the same app. Some Android manufacturers include their own messaging app as well, but Hangouts is ALWAYS included on Android phones and seamlessly integrates with SMS on any Android phone, within the Hangouts app.
  • Impulses - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Hangouts can do that too, within Hangouts, iMessage just happens to come preloaded and Apple pre logs you in. If Microsoft pre logged you into an Outlook account on a Windows PC the EU would have their ass, but Apple can get away with it.
  • retrospooty - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Exactly the same. You haven't used hangouts have you? because you dont seem to know it works EXACTLY the same as iMessage, only universally.
  • WinterCharm - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Except no end to end encryption. Yay privacy.
  • retrospooty - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Yay, now I know what Olivia Munn's vajooj looks like. Thanks Apple ;)
  • grayson_carr - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    His point was, on Android, you don't have to install Hangouts. Just like Messages on iPhones, it comes on all Android phones.
  • grayson_carr - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    And you don't have to create an account to use it on Android either. It uses your existing gmail account that you use with your Android phone. Not much difference between Messages app on iOS and Hangouts on Android, except Hangouts is available on iOS as well, whereas iMessage is not available on Android.
  • robinthakur - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    I've yet to meet an iPhone owner who installs a messaging app, especially not a google made one just "to be more compatible". iPhone users are compatible with other iPhone users and SMS users, there's really no need to install hangouts and only slightly more reason to install Whatsapp. The thought of the hassle of having to switch between multiple apps to message different people depending on their devices illustrates the difference between people here and regular users. Whilst I get that you want everybody to use Hangouts, it's just not going to happen.
  • vinospam - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Here's something I posted in another thread: Here's one fact that renders any Google based messaging system mostly unusable to over 2 Billion people right now. All Google sites, apps and services are blocked in most of China. I was traveling for business in China for 2 weeks and on China Unicom network. Gmail, docs, hangout, google groups - nothing is accessible. You can still get Gmail via IMAP and POP but the gmail.com website is inaccessible. In some big cities like Shanghai - some providers have managed to get around it but its rare. Dropbox and Box also did not work. And what about iMessage, FaceTime, iCloud and Apple Apps - they simply did. Now conspiracy theorists will immediately say Apple is in cahoots with the censors in China and NSA (everyone except Putin's intelligence services apparently) - but I don't care. I need to keep my business going and trying to be a nerd is not a big priority. Apple's devices just work - and thats it.
  • robinthakur - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    As an Android user I wouldn't *choose* to use Hangouts, I think it's awful and that new green colour scheme is hideous. iMessage is miles ahead of it because it works seamlessly as a messaging app. Hangouts does not because it drepeatedly sends the same sms multiple times (it doesn't display this to the sender, but it does charge you multiple times)

    I think it does depend on whether you know anyone who doesn't have an iPhone, I am the only one in my circle of friends who moved from iPhone to Android on HTC One M8, but I'll be moving back once my 6 plus arrives, because I miss the reliability and the compatibility. Plus there's Swiftkey now, Widgets, the hardware's better designed, there are more fully featured apps on iOS, it now comes with a larger screen, so why would you choose to stay on Android unless you literally love rooting kit and fooling around with ROMS or you actively dislike Apple?
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    They did sign up for something tho, an Apple account when they bought aN iPhone.
  • retrospooty - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    That is exactly how hangouts works, only hangouts works for everyone, not just Apple users.
  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Because with hangouts anyone, on any platform, can use it and get the same experience.
    Really, this is one of the big reasons why I won't buy an apple product. They really only care about people buying the hardware, and to that end it seems to be a goal to strongly encourage people to use their products which provide a sub par experience (assuming it can be used at all) to folks who aren't in the ecosystem.
  • mrochester - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    That's precisely what they do. If you want to play in the Apple ecosystem, you're going to need to buy some Apple hardware. If you don't, you can't come and play.
  • tuxRoller - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I understand that but I won't allow myself to be pulled into such a system. Google, for the most part, provides a mechanism out of their ecosystem via checkout (which I've used and, for the services it supports, it works well).
    X-platform is important to me, and the web is simply the best one we have. Hangouts certainly isn't the only option but something like imessage is a non-starter until it allows provides the potential for nearly anyone to have a first class experience.
  • BrazilianThunder - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Yeah, let me go through each of those apps and figure out which friends uses what....
  • DeciusStrabo - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    The reason most people actually use WhatsApp? (or Telegram if you are somewhat paranoid about Facebook's security).
  • Impulses - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Not in the US, at least amongst my age group/demographic, tho I understand Whatsapp became sort of a dexterity l defacto standard in Europe... They're clearly more civilized than us. :|
  • vinospam - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Hardly anyone uses Whatsapp in China, S Korea, Taiwan or SE Asian countries - there its mostly we chat, Line or kakaotalk
  • Impulses - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    The Asians are even more civilized, didn't they figure out electronic phone payment like half a decade ago? :/
  • Sushisamurai - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Whatsapp is a southern China thing, Korea uses Kaokao, Taiwan is Line. WeChat is taking over Taiwan and China due to its mass adoption by companies and services. Seriously, I don't want to use Wechat here, but all QR codes funnel me through WeChat, with no URL link. Absolutely retarded. I don't want to share my personal information when I want more information on a company.
  • Ancillas - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I wouldn't go so far as to call it worthless as it works pretty well when you're playing in the Apple ecosystem. However, I fully agree with you that any solution that isn't cross-platform has limited uses.

    I really miss how the Palm Pre worked, seamlessly integrating multiple chat applications into one flow.
  • critter13 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I couldn't tell you the last time I sent a SMS instead of an iMessage. obviously it is relative to my circle of family/friends but I don't communicate with a single person who uses an Android device. So for some of us iMessage is much better because it doesn't require a user to download an app.
  • kezeka - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I guess you and I stand alone in this regard. Nearly all of my friends have iPhones. It is a huge help within hospitals, since we are all able to communicate using the ubiquitous wifi and not rely on cellular services. Also helps that imessage is end to end encrypted so it theoretically doesn't violate HIPAA which is a HUGE deal.
  • tuxRoller - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Is imessage hipaa certified? If not, please tell me you aren't using it to transmit confidential patient data...
  • Impulses - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Tons of MDs are blissfully unaware of HIPAA regulations, specially amongst older gens. I know more than a few who keep patient data on Dropbox etc. I'm actually surprised more private practitioners aren't burglarized as a source of data for identity fraud.
  • mikato - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    There is no HIPAA certification (that means anything). Do you mean HIPAA compliant? I believe kazeka is right about the theoretical HIPAA compliance of iMessage... but it would be reaaaallly easy to send a message that went out through regular SMS instead and you might not know until the message sends and you see it's colored green instead of blue... so I'd avoid doing that.
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Actually, before you type in the text box it indicates whether it will use iMessage or Text Message to transmit, and if iMessage fails you must manually resend and select SMS before it will switch.

    Also, HIPAA compliancy is a matter of accepted practice and individual business / provider decisions, and if Duke thinks SMS Text Messages are okay, I'm pretty sure everyone else can accept them as well.
  • SirPerro - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I see iMessages in the US/UK kind of useful.

    In the rest of the world, where statistically you are "the one" in "one out of ten" users yeah. Pretty much useless.

    To the extent that my iOS friends don't even use it. Ever. Same with the rest of iApps. There are better alternatives out there.
  • bigstrudel - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    .....................but everyone (and I mean 100%) that uses iMessage on an iPhone can automatically send a text instead if the recipient isn't an iPhone user.

    Duh?
  • easp - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Because it just works when the recipient is an iMessages user, and if they aren't, it just sends an SMS. The sender doesn't have to think about it at all, and no one gets harangued and spammed to install a 3rd party app.
  • bigben2wardpitt - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Because it's quicker than the crossplatform apps honestly. I'm switching to android, but 80% of my messages are through iMessage. It's 400 times quicker than opening the hangouts app on an iPhone, and still quicker than whats app, viber, fb messenger, etc.
  • Scatch Mahoney - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I don't see anything in here on the most important new feature (for me at least), Family Sharing. This solves a huge problem in my household and I'm anxious to try it out. Consolidating lots of media from different accounts and being able to more easily set up kids accounts is a big deal.
  • Pissedoffyouth - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    How's iOS8 when it comes to app switching kills any web pages you had open?
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Depends on how big the App you switch to is - it seems better than iOS 7 especially switching tabs with-in Safari, but an very image heavy tab (e.g. search Google Images) will still flush the other tabs.
  • Mayuyu - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Brandon Chester big Madoka fan?
  • MyCookie - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Looks like Air or Clannad, so probably KyoAni fan.
  • Brandon Chester - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    @MyCookie Which photo are you referring to?
  • MyCookie - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Facetime contacts, on the other changes page.
  • Brandon Chester - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Cardcaptor Sakura.
  • kasakka - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    The thing I'm most disappointed in is that there is still no ability to choose what apps you want to use. If you want things to open in Chrome instead of Safari, you can't do that without jailbreaking.

    Likewise a lack of a central location for managing user loaded content would be welcome. Not necessarily a proper file browser but something that simply collects and curates files downloaded, photos taken, songs added etc. and displays them in an easy way.
  • kcn4000 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    this
  • SirPerro - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Is this even true? So sad
  • MykeM - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    It's installing in my 2 year old iPhone 5. One feature I'm looking forward to is Extensibility. It would be much simpler than my current method of automation using either Drafts or Launch Centre Pro (x-callback-url).

    My only fear is performance degradation due to my older hardware. But I saw very little performance hit when switching from iOS 6 to iOS 7 despite leaving the graphics feature (gaussian blur and animation) ON and using Background App Refresh on quite a number of apps.

    Look forward to reading this review tonight. And once AT releases the iPhone 6 review, I will then decide if it's worth investing in a new phone.
  • greg zx - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    "While I have used iCloud Drive, I cannot show any screenshots of it as they would have to be from the section in the Finder application on the beta version of OS X Yosemite, and that remains under an NDA."

    iCloud Drive is also included in the Finder on the most recent Public beta of Yosemite, which IIRC is not covered by NDA, so you could have done a screenshot after all.
  • Brandon Chester - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    "Further, Apple agrees that You will not be bound by the foregoing confidentiality terms with regard to technical information about pre-release Apple Software and services disclosed by Apple at WWDC (Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference), except that You may not post screen shots, write public reviews or redistribute any pre-release Apple Software or services."
  • WinterCharm - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Where is the iPhone 6 review? I'm waiting on the Anandtech one, complete with benchmarks, because most of the reviews out right now suck :P
  • redidas - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    As someone with an iPad 3 this is really unfortunate. The thing is already nearly unusable with iOS 7. Now its going to get even more slow? 2.5 years after its release?

    I wish Apple offered some kind of trade in bonus or replacement-program for it. I have not had a compelling experience with it that has made me want to purchase another iOS device. I get the newer models are way faster and all, but I feel like I paid $600 for an Apple experience and never received it.

    In the end though, what *really* irritates me is that they keep pushing the new software onto a device that clearly can't handle it, and they obviously haven't gone out of the way to make the software run well on the device.
  • Death666Angel - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Don't people usually rave about the resell value of Apple devices? Why not just go on ebay, sell your current one and get the new one? :)
  • redidas - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    32 GB iPad 3's are going for about $250 on ebay.

    Regardless of the price, the problem is that it's just barely 2 years old, and has essentially become unusable because of the performance issues.
  • Dug - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Strange. I have an iPad 2 and iPad mini and both run great with iOS 8.

    And why did you buy your device if you didn't believe it offered an Apple experience?
  • redidas - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    The iPad 3 had an apple experience under iOS 6. iOS 7 became too much.

    The iPad 3 was sort of released before it was ready. It was quickly replaced by the iPad 4 about half a year after release...
  • EJ257 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Wish they added a on/off toggle in Control Center for the GPS. They can keep the fine controls on which apps get access in the privacy menu but a quick way to toggle GPS would be nice.
  • Samus - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I upgraded my iPhone 4S to iOS8 this morning, and wish I could go back to iOS 7.1.2 this afternoon. After reading this review, I couldn't agree more. The performance penalty is harsh. It feels like running Gingerbread on a HTC Dream (G1) and disabling UI features like transparency in Accessibility (something I actually do on ALL iOS devices because the notification center is hard to read with transparency on) only helped a little.

    If you plan to update your device to iOS 8, make a LOCAL backup in iTunes before doing so. As soon as someone jailbreaks iOS 8, we'll have a downgrade path.
  • Brandon Chester - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Did Apple seriously close the signing window that fast? If you shift + click the restore button in iTunes and manually select a downloaded 7.1.2 firmware you may have a chance of going back still.
  • Strulf - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Wow that new Safari bookmark icon is ugly! Loved the old one. Generally I often have the feeling recently that Apple is making things worse in terms of design, see the new iPhone 6.
  • nvmarino - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    FYI, iCloud Photo Library (the only true iOS 8 feature I even really cared about!) did NOT make it in to the GM release. I spent a bunch of time trying to figure out why I didn't see the "iCloud Photo Library" switch under Settings --> Photos and camera, and even tried signing up for an iCloud plan thinking maybe it didn't show unless you subscribed to iCloud. A bit of searching finally turned up the Apple press release that states it will not be available until October, and that will be in beta:

    "In October, SMS Continuity will be available as a free update to iOS 8 and iCloud Photo Library will be available as a beta."

    https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/09/09Apple-A...
  • Brandon Chester - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    I have it on my device running the OTA update from 7.1.2. That sentence means that SMS Relay is coming in October and iCloud Photo Library is a beta currently, not that it will be a beta in October.
  • nvmarino - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    That is definitely not what that sentence means. You should read the entire press release. Also, from macrumors.com:

    Though iCloud Photo Library was available during the iOS 8 beta testing period, Apple appears to have demoted it to beta status and removed it from the iOS 8 golden master, the software that will be distributed to the public next week.

    http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/12/apple-demotes-...

    No idea why you have it on your phone.
  • Brandon Chester - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Turn on iCloud Drive.
  • nvmarino - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Wow. Did you take the two seconds and read the press release?

    I have iCloud drive turned on. Further, I have an iPhone 5s, iPod touch 5th gen, and iPad 2. The the option does not show up on any of them.

    Here are the screenshots form my iPhone:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17743186/iOS%2...

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17743186/iOS%2...

    Can someone else who has never had a beta build and done the OTA update to iOS 8 please comment on if the "iCloud Photo Library" option shows up under Settings --> Photos and Camera?
  • Brandon Chester - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I've had someone on Twitter tell me that their iPhone has the beta for it having just gone from 7.1.2 to iOS 8. I'm looking into this because I need to find out whether or not people who are having it show up without using the iOS 8 betas have ever used the Yosemite beta/preview.
  • nvmarino - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Signing in to the Yosemite beta is definitely the key. I updated my mac and, as soon as I signed in, the option became available on all my iOS devices.

    To double-confirm I went as far as signing out of iCloud on my iPod touch, creating a new Apple ID and signing in with it. I enabled iCloud Drive and iCloud Photo Library was not available. I then signed out of iCloud on my Yosemite beta box and signed in with the new Apple ID I just created and boom - it's now available on the iPod Touch. It also looks like the flag is permanently set as the option continued to be available after signing out of the new ID on the Yosemite box, and even after signing out and back in again on the iPod Touch.
  • nvmarino - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    To clarify, I specifically mean signing in to iCloud on Yosemite beta...
  • Brandon Chester - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Okay well now that that's all figured out I'll put up a little notice. That's really bad on Apple's part. Thank you for pointing that out and even trying out Yosemite to see if it would yield an answer.
  • nvmarino - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    And before you say it - yes, I have iCloud drive enabled an all my devices.
  • Antronman - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    Oh look; a bird. Oh look; a new iOS.
  • vinospam - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Look a Troll!
  • HunterKlynn - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    What's weird is when I installed the Yosemite Public Beta SMS Relay worked for me for like a day, and now it's stopped. I was thinking it must have broken in the beta but I guess it's just not actually supposed to exist yet!
  • josephandrews222 - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    ...would appreciate more detail on your reasons for not updating your iPad 3 (the first Retina one) to iOS 8.
  • coburn_c - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    In my messaging app there is a button to call the person. I guess that's not as innovative as saying something, hitting send, and then them listening to it...
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Calling is synchronous, audio messaging is asynchronous; there are times when that is an advantage.
  • o82HHGak8gFELqHPoE2r - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    How do you use Instant Hotspot between iPhone and iPad (wifi) ??

    I updated both my devices to iOS 8, and still seeing the old Personal Hotspot thing.

    I see iPhone's hotspot, with lock icon and no battery icon
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    With both iPhone and iPad logged into same Apple account, in iPad WiFi you should see the iPhone Hotspot as a choice - selecting it will activate the iPhones hotspot and then connect to it.
  • soryuuha - Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - link

    so..can you finally send any file over bluetooth?
  • Impulses - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Huh, you couldn't before? I guess I haven't really sent anything over BT since I had a dumb phone. Actually I sent stuff over BT from my first Android phone to other dumb phones for a while (ringtones mostly), seems like a pretty antiquated method to do anything now... Then again, Inge been using NFC for similarly basic stuff for like two years now. ;)
  • SirPerro - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    "Many of the improvements are in areas of the OS that have long needed to be improved or changed. There are also number of additions that take a great amount of inspiration from other mobile operating systems. While this may be seen as copying by some, for users the end result is that their experience is improved and they have features they did not have before, which is what really matters."

    That wasn't what mattered in the multibillion lawsuits Apple filed in the past, right?
  • SirPerro - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    The whole "update the OS to update the email app" thing is reaching to android 1.6 levels of stupidity
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    iOS updates are differential. Putting all updates on the same schedule has its advantages, and iOS development is still a fairly small team.
  • bigstrudel - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Clean install iOS 8 on the 5S gave me 6280 on Octane. And I never got 5700 (Low 5000's at best) on iOS 7. There's a lot more improvement here than indicated in your review.
  • NA1NSXR - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I don't know why the conclusion is so tempered. iOS7 was a terrible release that was basically a physical makeover with very mixed results for usability. iOS8 looks like a solid step forward for features and usability on a platform that needs a lot of these things being introduced. I am staying behind until a JB is released or until I take delivery of my new device but considering the ecosystem this is one of the biggest releases in many years.
  • solipsism - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    I love being able to make and receive phone calls on my Mac but I have 4 issues with it. Some severe while others are just annoying.

    1) The speed at which the iPhone starts ringing and Mac starts ringing needs to be more in sync. The same goes for after you pick up one of the other. Perhaps a small, more efficient communication protocol for letting each device know what about the session.

    2) You can make or receive a call on the Mac and then hand it off to the iPhone by pressing the top bar on the iPhone. This does not work the other way. Why doesn't it work the other way?

    3) There is no dialer pad for the Mac so if you make or receive a call that requires you to press buttons for an automated system you have to then grab your iPhone and go to the Phone app and then the dialer pad to input the keys. You also have to makes to do this without pressing the top bar or it will disconnect from the Mac and you'll be using your iPhone for the duration of that call.

    4) The app that open on the Mac says FaceTime in the Dock. Not a deal breaker by any means but it just all looks sloppy and incomplete.

    PS: Am I the only one that still doesn't fully grasp what is considered Handoff and what is Continuity. Is it a unified term "Handoff and Continuity"? I'd think continuity is what has existed for years now with iCloud syncing data between apps, but handoff is the evolution of that to actually have the app show up in the Dock (Mac) or Fast App Switcher (iOS) to be clicked.
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Continuity enables not just syncing data, but syncing state as well (e.g. editing a document on one device, switching to the other device and picking up at exactly the same place).
  • juhatus - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Having used the ios8 for few hours, it feels slower on my iphone5 than the 7.1.2. Atleast the transition animations take more time :(
  • therealmarv - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Does anybody know if pictures sent with iMessage are resized? Sending mass pictures with iMessage over a limited data plan vs. WhatsApp (which resizes every picture before sending) can be a major disadvantage in comparison to other Messengers.
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    iMessage does not resize pictures.
  • Qbah - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Holy smokes... I need 6.9GB on my iPad to upgrade? I got 16GB total on the Retina Mini and I need to make half of it available?! Crazy...
  • solipsism - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    If you do the upgrade whist tethered to a Mac/PC with iTunes you won't need nearly as much space for all that file swapping.
  • iwod - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    What Anime were those figure from in the first screen shots?
  • dopehat - Sunday, September 21, 2014 - link

    Puella Magi Madoka Magica (魔法少女まどか☆マギカ)
  • Teknobug - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    It's really practically the same as iOS 7, but under the hood you see more stuff (familiar to BB10). There's nothing in iOS 8 that has me excited about, but at least now my wife can use Swype on her iPhone since she was always jealous of me using it on my Android phone.
  • dabotsonline - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    "The Health app is also an iPhone only application. I know of many elderly people who own iPads but do not own iPhones. I think Apple should bring the Health app over to iPad, or at the very least the Medical ID feature, as the elderly are a segment of the population that could benefit most from it."

    Hmmm. Very interesting. I wonder if Apple make any reference to this at their event next month.
  • mikato - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Hmm I wonder if your Health app information is included in your iCloud backup. Let's see, what medical conditions do the celebrities have...
  • toluene - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Powerlevels here are very low. They're from "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" from glorious studio SHAFT.

    Homura did nothing wrong.
  • SeleniumGlow - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    True. Homura is innocent.

    But I'd kill to have those figurines... I want the kyuubi... They aren't available in my country at all.
  • jdrch - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    "I do wish that Apple would add the ability to link accounts from XMPP messaging services like you can with Messages on OS X. Having Messages become a central hub for Facebook, Hangouts, iMessage, and SMS would clear a number of applications off my phone."

    Yikes, AT ... Hangouts dropped support for XMPP when it succeeded GTalk. Pretty bad miss there.
  • Brandon Chester - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Yes you're right. That should say Google Talk which is what can be added to Messages on OS X.
  • Brandon Chester - Thursday, September 18, 2014 - link

    Also it would be better worded to not specify as XMPP. I'll revise it as soon as I can.
  • Murazlols - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    I was about to install the new ios8 to my 4s. And i erased all my apps because the i only had 8gig. Then i heard the bad feedbacks about it. Now the problem is i cant download and install any apps i had before and i dont what the problem is :( does anyone here know how to fix it? I need help :(
  • mikato - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Are they in your itunes still? You may have to connect your phone to whatever computer you have with itunes that you've synced to and check it out.
  • Wolfpup - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    Regarding upgrading the OS, there's no real choice unless you're only going to use the device as an ebook reader and for netflix, stuff like that that's not connecting to the Internet generally. No way is it safe to be using a device with an unsupported OS for things like browsing the web and email and the like.

    iOS 7 destroys podcast support on iOS (even though I had an iPhone 5s, I bought an iPod classic to use with it for podcasts, iOS is so bad at them now). But anyway performance on my iPad 2 was fine. Not as smooth as my 5s, but mostly just due to being massively RAM starved (which the 5s is too frankly).

    Between 4 out of the 4 Lightning connector devices I've owned having the port go bad (even my 5s after 10 months of carefully babying it), and Windows tablets now being available at similar (even cheaper!) price points than dumbed down iOS tablets, I'm done with the OS for tablets until 1) Apple ditches Lightning for USB, and 2) Apple puts real OS X on a tablet...what they should have done to begin with. (Granted, that was far less practical in 2010 than it is today, but today? For crying out loud Toshiba just launched a $120 tablet running real Windows with as much RAM and storage as the best iOS devices, complete with a good CPU/GPU by tablet standards. Screen is junk sounds, but it's freaking $120)
  • JoyTech - Friday, September 19, 2014 - link

    When are you guys publishing your iPhone 6 review?
  • Comments - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    "Even under iOS 7.1, the UI smoothness on devices like the iPhone 4s and the iPad 2 is far from exceptional."
    I think Bradon is talking about a iPhone 4 here, because iOS 7.1 has always been very smooth on my iPhone 4s (iOS 8.0 is ok, but not fluent, hoping for improvement soon).
  • Brandon Chester - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    No I'm not. None of the A5 devices maintain 60fps everywhere on iOS 7.1.2 (I own an iPad 3 and a relative owns a 4s). Scrolling lists like the settings app are one of the best examples.
  • mjh483 - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    "From the perspective of a user there's no real wow factor with iOS 8 right now".

    I get what you are saying, but I don't get why you say it. This just tells me that you are EXPECTING to be amazed by just downloading one software update and not using anything other than the stock apps. The general expectation for Apple products is just purely wrong. I am not saying it's perfect, but criticising the lack of a wow factor doesn't SEEM AT ALL like a way to judge a new mobile operating system. If you only use Whatsapp, Facebook and play a few casual games, there's only so much any software update can improve your experience.
  • houkoholic - Friday, September 26, 2014 - link

    > but criticising the lack of a wow factor doesn't SEEM AT ALL like a way to judge a new mobile operating system

    Yet that is always done with other OS like Windows Phone.... "oo but it lacks this WOW feature the other OS has".
  • WakarusaJack - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

    Updated my iPad to iOS 8 and now I leave it on the table, virtually unusable. Slow. Locks up. So sorry I upgraded!!!!
  • raj5151 - Saturday, September 20, 2014 - link

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  • dopehat - Sunday, September 21, 2014 - link

    Okay... I understand your love for Madoka Magica... lol
  • AppleCrappleHater2 - Sunday, September 21, 2014 - link

    Worship the holy apple.

    The apple way, selling over expensive crap to stupid consumers that like to
    get robbed.

    This has been a disastrous launch in every respect. The iwatch is such an
    ugly piece of crap, it is truly unbelievable how a company, formerly known for
    its remarkable design, dares to put out such a crap ton of shit. Some
    characteristics are glaringly obvious and inherent to it: over expensive,
    hardly innovative, limited functionality and usability (need of an iPhone to
    make it work), looks exactly like a toy watch and so on.

    There are of course way better smart watches out there, especially form the
    likes of Samsung, Sony, Motorola, Asus, LG, simply put, there is no need for
    another piece of over expensive junk.

    The iPhone 6 is technologically stuck in pre-2011 times, a base model with
    a capacity of 16GB without the possibility to use SD cards isn't even funny
    anymore. The screen resolution is horrendous, it isn't water proof, shock and
    dust resistant, it offers nothing innovative, just some incremental
    updates over its predecessor, both lacking severely behind their competitors at
    their respective launch dates.

    Now the Iphone 6 Plus offers a „Retina HD“ screen, full 1920x1080p, oh wow,
    where have you been for the past 4 years apple, talk about trailing behind.
    That’s pathetic. The interesting thing about that is the fact that apple
    always manages to sell backwards oriented, outdated crap to its user base, all
    while pretending to be an innovative technology leader. The similarities
    regarding any form of sectarian cult are striking.

    You gotta love how Apple always comes up with new marketing bullshit terms,
    aka "Retina HD", with the intention to manipulate its users while preventing easy
    comparisons with its competitors by withholding the actual specs. Apparently it’s
    not enough to have a 1080p screen, you have to call it "Retina HD" to make those
    suckers buy it, otherwise someone could look at the 4K Amoled and Oled screens
    form LG and Samsung devices and get outright disappointed. Same goes for
    everything else. Every outdated „feature“ needs to get its own marketing label
    to persuade buyers with crappy „experience“ and „usability“ ads, while covering
    the truth with marketing gibberish, knowing full well that only a fraction of
    aforementioned buyers cares to look at the facts and dares to compare them.

    Car engines come to mind. For comparisons shake let’s look at a 1.0 liter, turbo
    charged petrol engine and a V8 compressor. What’s better should be obvious, but
    by calling the former an „ecobooster“, thus giving it a special marketing label,
    this joke becomes a „feature“, something positive that can be added tot the list
    of features of a car.

    By doing so a negative aspect is transformed into a positive one, the
    reality is distorted, non tech savvy buyers are manipulated and comparisons are
    made more difficult (another layer of marketing bullshit to overcome), well done
    marketing department. You see , if something is seriously lacking (of course for
    profit, what else), don’t bother explaining, just give it a nice marketing term, distort
    reality, make it a feature and call it a day. Fuck that!!

    The Apple Iphone 1 and Ipad 1 might have been innovative at their time,
    but since then, the bitten apple has been continuously rotting from the inside
    outwards, always swarmed by millions of Iworms which regale themselves with its
    rotten flesh, not forgetting all other Americans who support apple by means of
    their tax dollars to finance its bought US Treasury/Government bond interest rates.

    Last but not least, every Apple product includes a direct hotlink to the nsa,
    free of charge, something that might make it a good value, after all.

    Ceterum censeo Applem esse delendam.
  • Breach1337 - Sunday, September 21, 2014 - link

    Rendered my wife's iPhone 4S completely unusable. It's not just lag and worse performance compared to 7.x - the whole thing just stops responding, touchscreen, couldn't even reboot it. So much for it simply works for me.
  • xenol - Sunday, September 21, 2014 - link

    I lost it at the Madoka Magica Nendroid figures.
  • phoenixash87 - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Not sure if this was already posted, but to undo an unintentional delete, one can simply shake the iPhone which is the standard gesture for undo-ing any action.
  • NetMage - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link

    Any text action.
  • peterApinto - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link

    The Photo app actually has more in-built functionality than meets the eye at first glance. It's still not nearly as good as the previous iPhoto app, but there are some nice features.

    I do have grudges, though:
    - I paid for the iPhoto app. Now it's not only unsupported, but actually discontinued on iOS8. Apple owes me, in my opinion.
    - Where can I stitch together a photo book and order it at Apple? I could do that i iPhoto, but I can't do that anymore.
  • dyc4ha - Thursday, September 25, 2014 - link

    Disappointed to see no mention of the ridiculous amount of instability on this AT article.. Can't blame some readers for calling out the Apple bias..I really can't say I am happy with iOS8 at all in any aspect.
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    Mathikere
    28/3, Sai Shekar complex,H.M.T Main Road, Beside Subbaiah Hospital
    08041573366 / 9611269682

    Kempapura
    Door no-3, 21st main road, sri Rajeshwari New Colony, Hebbal,
    Kempapura Main Road, Bangalore
    08042103355 / 9611269682

    ulsoor
    no 49&50, guru gowtham complex,SV road,next to metro station,
    below to manak jewellers , ulsoor, 08041520642

    Domlur
    no 11,service road,old airport road,next to hyundai showroom,befor sony show room
    domlur in towards mg road, 08041103602

    Frazer town
    no 64/1, concord plaza, coles road, frazer town, near shanthi sagar hotel
    08041105150

    Kammanahalli
    no 17,mathu mansion,kammanahalli circle near,opp to ganesha temple
    below to liberty showroom, 08041103592

    BTM
    no 746,Tayapa towers,13th main,7th cross,near udupi garden,opp to dominas,icici,peter england
    below to mumbai kitchen , 08041500208

    HSR
    no 2580, 27th main, 13th cross,next to PHD
    08049530063

    Bellandur
    No 71/1a,opp to swarnamukhi hospital,univercell upster,sarjapura main road
    next to bellandur total mall, 08042060460

    Jp Nagar 7th Phase
    no 243, Brigate Apartment signal opposite, jp nagar 7th phase
    08040958575

    Marathahalli
    No: 35/1B, CRM SOWBHAGYA ANNEXE, Shop No.2,Varthur Main Road,
    marathahalli bridge next,Munnekolala,
    08065304422,09043888404

    VV puram

    Anna nagar
    no 18, TNSCB shopping complex,near jsp honda showroom,
    thirumangalam junction water tank,anna nagar west,
    04430069841

    Velachery
    no 25,sambantham garden,100ft road tharamani link road,opp to karaikudi hotel near TCS
    velachery, 04442139797

    OMR(thoraipakkam)
    no 64/4, sri vidhya avenue,omr ptc main road,opp to kfc restaurant
    04465668880

    Anna nagar-2
    Muva’s arcade,C52/4,anna nagar east,near chinthamani roundana circle, opp to girias
    chennai-600102
    04449539191

    T-Nagar

    No 2 ,North usman Road,Kodambakkam Road Junction ,Near Motherhood T-nagar,
    below Mallika mansion Chennai-17
    04443527474

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