Let's hope it won't be such an epic fail as galileo... the fastest embedded CPU platform with the slowest speed IO, which even a 50 cent 8bit avr trounces.
On a side note, that chart doesn't list any sort of user usable IO whatsoever, absent GPIO and at least SPI this limits the use case quite a bit, to basically a BT connected gyroscope...
Well... if you AVR runs Linux 3.8, is able to deal with OpenCV, node.js, integrate with Intel IoT clouds, then you are right... each board has a different purpose and of course I would never would use AVR for advanced projects like these
When you use GPIO you don't need to run any OS, nor OpenCV, galileo sucks as an arduino, and it is far too weak and quite frankly pathetic as an application processor as well. There are ARM boards half the price of the galileo which completely annihilate it in terms of features and performance.
It seems intel will need a few more years before it makes something in that area which professionals would actually want to buy, because right now the only place you can see their embedded product portfolio is events they sponsor, universities they sponsor or individuals they sponsor. And who would want it, you try to port your arduino project to galileo, and realize it actually runs like 100 times slower to the point it is useless despite having tremendously higher specs.
Shows what you know, on the same process ARM chips offer better performance per watt than x86. For the price of the galileo board, which runs a single core chip at 400 MHz and doesn't even have graphics, you can get two ODROID-C1 boards which come with a gig of ram, gigabit ethernet and powerful quadcore CPU. Unimaginably better at half the price, this can only be a brainer for ignorant fanboys ;)
That's a common mistake. Yes, standard Ardunio baseboards (~$25) are cheaper than Galileo (~$60). But if you then want to add WiFi, Ethernet, SD or USB capabilities to your Arduino you need to buy expensive additional shields which more than make up the difference. A wifi shield for Arduino will set you back $90 on it's own ... but Galileo can use a cheap mini PCI centrino module which you can buy for less than $10.
Also, Gen2 Galileo board fixes a lot of the GPIO performance issues which dogged the first model. It's still not perfect, but is dramatically improved.
You seem to be taking Intel's entry into this market personally. Surely it's better for everyone to have more cool tech options!
Buy one arduino and you've bought one too many. You don't need that, it is ridiculously overpriced, all you need is an avr programmer, you can get an attiny chip running with a few passive components and it will cost you less than 2$. You can still use the arduino ide and libraries, so it is a win/win. Arduino shields are just as ridiculously overpriced too. You are better off with a cheap arm board and a 10$ usb wifi dongle if wifi is what you need. Some boards actually come with wifi integrated, at a price low enough to buy a few for the price of an arduino wifi shield :) Most have ethernet and SD slots.
I am not taking it personally, I don't have a problem with intel, just with lame and overpriced products. You'd think a multi-billion-dollar company and a perpetual semiconductor leader should be able to do better... especially in a field they are not pioneering, but others have been developing for quite a while.
I wonder if they could implement a mechanical movement charging system. That way it could be in a watch (or ring, clothing, shoes, etc) and get recharged just by the natural movements associated with these.
ddriver, I think your schooling led you astray. Both NASA and CIA are acronyms. They are both also, arguably, abbreviations, in that an acronym is a way that phrases are abbreviated into words.
Quark is an x86 product; other versions have been available since late 2013. It uses the Pentium 1 instruction set; but the block diagram Intel has published indicates that it's built around a modified 486 core not the P54 used in early Pentiums. The specs for this model indicate that it's a microcontroller; not something you could run a conventional OS on.
This looks like a competitor to the Broadcom WiCED SENSE and the associated BCM20737 and MEMS sensors.The Broadcom component uses a button battery, which may have driven the circular shape of the Intel component. The Broadcom chip includes the Bluetooth, but the other sensors are on a separate chip. Presumably the other sensors could be added to the Curie. The Broadcom device costs about $20, but no idea if it is being subsidized.
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ddriver - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Let's hope it won't be such an epic fail as galileo... the fastest embedded CPU platform with the slowest speed IO, which even a 50 cent 8bit avr trounces.On a side note, that chart doesn't list any sort of user usable IO whatsoever, absent GPIO and at least SPI this limits the use case quite a bit, to basically a BT connected gyroscope...
danra - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Well... if you AVR runs Linux 3.8, is able to deal with OpenCV, node.js, integrate with Intel IoT clouds, then you are right... each board has a different purpose and of course I would never would use AVR for advanced projects like theseddriver - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
When you use GPIO you don't need to run any OS, nor OpenCV, galileo sucks as an arduino, and it is far too weak and quite frankly pathetic as an application processor as well. There are ARM boards half the price of the galileo which completely annihilate it in terms of features and performance.It seems intel will need a few more years before it makes something in that area which professionals would actually want to buy, because right now the only place you can see their embedded product portfolio is events they sponsor, universities they sponsor or individuals they sponsor. And who would want it, you try to port your arduino project to galileo, and realize it actually runs like 100 times slower to the point it is useless despite having tremendously higher specs.
danra - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
ARM is very slow LOLddriver - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
Shows what you know, on the same process ARM chips offer better performance per watt than x86. For the price of the galileo board, which runs a single core chip at 400 MHz and doesn't even have graphics, you can get two ODROID-C1 boards which come with a gig of ram, gigabit ethernet and powerful quadcore CPU. Unimaginably better at half the price, this can only be a brainer for ignorant fanboys ;)IFeelUnusual - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
That's a common mistake. Yes, standard Ardunio baseboards (~$25) are cheaper than Galileo (~$60). But if you then want to add WiFi, Ethernet, SD or USB capabilities to your Arduino you need to buy expensive additional shields which more than make up the difference. A wifi shield for Arduino will set you back $90 on it's own ... but Galileo can use a cheap mini PCI centrino module which you can buy for less than $10.Also, Gen2 Galileo board fixes a lot of the GPIO performance issues which dogged the first model. It's still not perfect, but is dramatically improved.
You seem to be taking Intel's entry into this market personally. Surely it's better for everyone to have more cool tech options!
ddriver - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
Buy one arduino and you've bought one too many. You don't need that, it is ridiculously overpriced, all you need is an avr programmer, you can get an attiny chip running with a few passive components and it will cost you less than 2$. You can still use the arduino ide and libraries, so it is a win/win. Arduino shields are just as ridiculously overpriced too. You are better off with a cheap arm board and a 10$ usb wifi dongle if wifi is what you need. Some boards actually come with wifi integrated, at a price low enough to buy a few for the price of an arduino wifi shield :) Most have ethernet and SD slots.I am not taking it personally, I don't have a problem with intel, just with lame and overpriced products. You'd think a multi-billion-dollar company and a perpetual semiconductor leader should be able to do better... especially in a field they are not pioneering, but others have been developing for quite a while.
ishould - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
I wonder if they could implement a mechanical movement charging system. That way it could be in a watch (or ring, clothing, shoes, etc) and get recharged just by the natural movements associated with these.Pissedoffyouth - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Is it x86?kaidenshi - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
No, it's an MCU not a CPU.Stephen Barrett - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
It is x86 though. Its an x86 MCU. It uses the Pentium ISA. See Anand's piece on Quark: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7387/intel-announces...Stephen Barrett - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
and MCU and CPU are not mutually exclusive. An MCU is an SoC with a CPU inside it. But that CPU doesn't have an MMU so its not an AP.Acronym soup :)
ddriver - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
It is not acronym but abbreviation. NASA is an acronym, as it is pronounced nasa, CIA is an abbreviation since it is pronounced si ay ey, not sia ;)soydeedo - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Uh...no.ddriver - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Thou shall try to make use of the schooling ;) It is never too late to finally learn what acronym actually means.easp - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
ddriver, I think your schooling led you astray. Both NASA and CIA are acronyms. They are both also, arguably, abbreviations, in that an acronym is a way that phrases are abbreviated into words.ddriver - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronymkaix2 - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
you can't be serious..woggs - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
yes he is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_HscBWJhNQ
DanNeely - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Quark is an x86 product; other versions have been available since late 2013. It uses the Pentium 1 instruction set; but the block diagram Intel has published indicates that it's built around a modified 486 core not the P54 used in early Pentiums. The specs for this model indicate that it's a microcontroller; not something you could run a conventional OS on.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quark
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013...
frozentundra123456 - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
A device named after a unit of ionizing radiation or a dead scientist. Clever marketing.stephenbrooks - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
I thought it was named after a spicy Indian dish.jhh - Sunday, January 11, 2015 - link
This looks like a competitor to the Broadcom WiCED SENSE and the associated BCM20737 and MEMS sensors.The Broadcom component uses a button battery, which may have driven the circular shape of the Intel component. The Broadcom chip includes the Bluetooth, but the other sensors are on a separate chip. Presumably the other sensors could be added to the Curie. The Broadcom device costs about $20, but no idea if it is being subsidized.