Well that team did "make" the core solo family of CPU which replaced Pentium 4 and became core 2, as well as future revisions became Core i chips....that being said, if Intel "could not" make 10nm via all their fabs for years now, then likely spending billions of $ onm expansion will make it happen either.
though once they finally "crack the code" it will mean more factories are able to produce the chips they are making.....one thing Intel does have going for it then all other fabs, their masks/wafers etc are near 100% identical no matter where they are made in THEIR factories, compare that with TSMC, Samsung, GloFo etc the variance is much higher in comparison.
Well, don't forget Bonias and Dothan were developed in Israel. In fact, they developed it shortly after the Pentium 4 released and were practically begging Intel for years to ditch Netburst because they had something better: an optimized and modern Pentium 3 execution core on the modern Pentium 4 bus. This was the end of Netburst P4's, and especially the joke that was the P4-M, and the birth of the Core microarchitecture that would make Intel competitive with AMD.
And as we all know, Israel doesn't like AMD, just ask CTS labs :P
Right? I'd love to know why they chose Israel. They have a lot of human resources in Israel but it doesn't make much business sense to want to keep investing in a place as volatile as Israel. It hasn't cost them money yet but it's shortsighted to think that it won't in the future.
Israel offers a lot of state aid for top companies like Intel. Intel had one plant in Ireland but state aid is illegal under EU rules. Israel does not have that problem.
There's a relatively low chance of sanctions being applied to Israel in the near future by the countries where Intel makes the most of its money. Also, Israel has a lot of sand.
Yeah but they are going to win that war if it breaks out.
Also they have a ton of excellent people to get the work done.
As Zingam points out, it was Israelis that came up with Core the cpu architecture. The architecture that led to total Intel dominance, a win streak that went for over a decade until Zen. Saving Intel after the failed Pentium 4. The talent pool is deep, and Israel is welcoming to business.
It is Intel that came up with Core as it was Intel money that funded research. Intel could have produced Core in many other countries other than Israel, it was cheaper and Israel offered a lot of state aid to attract top companies like Intel.
You dismiss the fact that the concentration of high-end PhD level talent in Israel is very high, including former Soviet nuclear scientists and physicists that have "beyond PhD" educations/training.
You are incredibly ill informed to think that kind of talent is localized or even in a high density to a small region compared to other developed nations. Go to more meetings.
Even though everything spells war, keep in mind Israel has been at war since their existence, and has done well economically ever since.
And in the event of an all out war, there is no doubt Israel would win. They have superior military technology and intelligence to most of the world, especially those in the middle east who would attempt to attack them. Their missile defense system is actually better than OURS (United States) which is funny when you consider it was jointly developed.
Israel is possibly the safest place to develop in that region of the world, and is logistically strategic for businesses, as well as having a skilled workforce. The problem is...its expensive to develop there. Cost of living is high and wages are VERY high. Those 250 jobs are mostly going to be high six-figure positions.
At this point, I am so outraged by Israel's policies toward the Palestinians that I am seriously considering boycotting Intel. Yes, I know that it is just 1 of the 12 fabs operated by Intel, but it bothers me that Intel would decide to invest so heavily in an apartheid state. Intel was also unethical in strong-arming PC makers to not use AMD chips. The problem I have is that it is still very hard to find a decent enterprise-grade laptop with AMD inside. I prefer Thinkpads and Latitudes, but they only come with Intel Core CPUs.
No, that fab Intel reacquired from Micron was and old 200mm fab, their 3D Xpoint memory is made in 300mm fabs. That fab had been making NOR memory when it was acquired by Micron and they decided to close the fab vs. retool it.
"The chip giant is expected to buy $838 million (NIS 3 billion) worth of local goods"
Not exactly 5 billion. Does anyone have the math that shows how much the very low tax rate, plus the <400 million in "grant" money will cost, including the waste disposal, pollution mitigation, and other infrastructure costs the plant will incur? Such a low tax rate doesn't inspire confidence, particularly when coupled with the "grant" money. But, I don't know all the figures involved.
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cbf - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
While I have every reason to believe that this expansion IS REAL, the country is spelled ISRAEL. Or alternatively יִשְׂרָאֵל.Ryan Smith - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
Oh jeeze. That's what I get for rewriting a headline in a hurry. Thanks!Death666Angel - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
Now I'm intrigued how it looked messed up. :DDeath666Angel - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
Ah, IS REAL. Got it.DanNeely - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
It apparently read: "Intel Discloses Plans to Spend $5 Billion on Fab 28 Expansion in Isreal" (typo in the last word)milkod2001 - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Imagine you could not edit it like we can't our comments. :)shabby - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
So this place will be producing 14nm+++++++?Dragonstongue - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
AHAHAHAHA that is funny as hell o7 shabbyWell that team did "make" the core solo family of CPU which replaced Pentium 4 and became core 2, as well as future revisions became Core i chips....that being said, if Intel "could not" make 10nm via all their fabs for years now, then likely spending billions of $ onm expansion will make it happen either.
though once they finally "crack the code" it will mean more factories are able to produce the chips they are making.....one thing Intel does have going for it then all other fabs, their masks/wafers etc are near 100% identical no matter where they are made in THEIR factories, compare that with TSMC, Samsung, GloFo etc the variance is much higher in comparison.
jrs77 - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
I'm not too sure I would want to invest in Israel in the current situation. Everything spells war currently, throughout the entire middle east.Zingam - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link
Core CPU designed in Israel full of Meltdowns and Spectres and manufactured there too... No place for concerns here :)Samus - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Well, don't forget Bonias and Dothan were developed in Israel. In fact, they developed it shortly after the Pentium 4 released and were practically begging Intel for years to ditch Netburst because they had something better: an optimized and modern Pentium 3 execution core on the modern Pentium 4 bus. This was the end of Netburst P4's, and especially the joke that was the P4-M, and the birth of the Core microarchitecture that would make Intel competitive with AMD.And as we all know, Israel doesn't like AMD, just ask CTS labs :P
Zingam - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link
Also you can pretty sure that Intel is obliged to invest in Israel but there is no basis for conspiracy theories too!willis936 - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
Right? I'd love to know why they chose Israel. They have a lot of human resources in Israel but it doesn't make much business sense to want to keep investing in a place as volatile as Israel. It hasn't cost them money yet but it's shortsighted to think that it won't in the future.id4andrei - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
Israel offers a lot of state aid for top companies like Intel. Intel had one plant in Ireland but state aid is illegal under EU rules. Israel does not have that problem.GreenReaper - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
There's a relatively low chance of sanctions being applied to Israel in the near future by the countries where Intel makes the most of its money. Also, Israel has a lot of sand.Sttm - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
Yeah but they are going to win that war if it breaks out.Also they have a ton of excellent people to get the work done.
As Zingam points out, it was Israelis that came up with Core the cpu architecture. The architecture that led to total Intel dominance, a win streak that went for over a decade until Zen. Saving Intel after the failed Pentium 4. The talent pool is deep, and Israel is welcoming to business.
Spunjji - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
In turns of security of the investment, who "wins" that war is irrelevant.id4andrei - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
It is Intel that came up with Core as it was Intel money that funded research. Intel could have produced Core in many other countries other than Israel, it was cheaper and Israel offered a lot of state aid to attract top companies like Intel.SharpEars - Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - link
You dismiss the fact that the concentration of high-end PhD level talent in Israel is very high, including former Soviet nuclear scientists and physicists that have "beyond PhD" educations/training.willis936 - Wednesday, May 23, 2018 - link
You are incredibly ill informed to think that kind of talent is localized or even in a high density to a small region compared to other developed nations. Go to more meetings.Samus - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Even though everything spells war, keep in mind Israel has been at war since their existence, and has done well economically ever since.And in the event of an all out war, there is no doubt Israel would win. They have superior military technology and intelligence to most of the world, especially those in the middle east who would attempt to attack them. Their missile defense system is actually better than OURS (United States) which is funny when you consider it was jointly developed.
Israel is possibly the safest place to develop in that region of the world, and is logistically strategic for businesses, as well as having a skilled workforce. The problem is...its expensive to develop there. Cost of living is high and wages are VERY high. Those 250 jobs are mostly going to be high six-figure positions.
Findecanor - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link
*Sigh*. This means that I will not buy Intel ever again.Windows and Linux are both on AArch64, so in the near future I wouldn't have to anyway.
Sttm - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
Unless your Intel CPU is pre Core, you already have an Israeli designed chip. Better dump it fast before the other anti-semites find out!Findecanor - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
Boycotting Israel on humanitarian grounds is not being an anti-Semite. Ad hominem attacks are very low, very low.Cyanara - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
As mentioned in the other comments though, Intel's involvement in Israel is far from new.yelped - Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - link
You may want to have a clearer understanding of the subject before speaking up. Here's a short synopsis: http://s22592.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/B...willis936 - Wednesday, May 23, 2018 - link
Here is a better read if you aren't interested in maintaining bias.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Isr...
amosbatto - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link
At this point, I am so outraged by Israel's policies toward the Palestinians that I am seriously considering boycotting Intel. Yes, I know that it is just 1 of the 12 fabs operated by Intel, but it bothers me that Intel would decide to invest so heavily in an apartheid state. Intel was also unethical in strong-arming PC makers to not use AMD chips. The problem I have is that it is still very hard to find a decent enterprise-grade laptop with AMD inside. I prefer Thinkpads and Latitudes, but they only come with Intel Core CPUs.Kevin G - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link
Considering that this fab came from Micron, I would presume that this would be producing 3D Point memory as well.ilt24 - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link
No, that fab Intel reacquired from Micron was and old 200mm fab, their 3D Xpoint memory is made in 300mm fabs. That fab had been making NOR memory when it was acquired by Micron and they decided to close the fab vs. retool it.Cyanara - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Says a lot of about the state of manufacturing when $5b only gets you 250 jobs :p Still, few governments would be opposed to the revenue it produces.Oxford Guy - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Intel is getting nearly 400 million in "grant" money, though — without even taking into account to super-low tax rate.UtilityMax - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Wow, that's a massive investment figure, even for a relatively affluent economy like Israel. 5bln is 1.5% of their annual GDP.Oxford Guy - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
"The chip giant is expected to buy $838 million (NIS 3 billion) worth of local goods"Not exactly 5 billion. Does anyone have the math that shows how much the very low tax rate, plus the <400 million in "grant" money will cost, including the waste disposal, pollution mitigation, and other infrastructure costs the plant will incur? Such a low tax rate doesn't inspire confidence, particularly when coupled with the "grant" money. But, I don't know all the figures involved.